If you post on a forum you are a politician and thus your views can be disagreed with.

[Origanalist]

Assholes are in the eye of the beholder. What offends you (or makes me an asshole) might not offend someone else or even show a reading on my "asshole-meter 1000".
That said, its a friggin message board. Pull up your big girl panties. It will be ok.

Best advice I've heard in the couple of days since I made it back to my computer.

 

[Carlybee]

A fascist? Klamath is trying to bring corporations into the governance of this site? Really?

Wiser to not use that term unless you apply it correctly--especially around here. Otherwise someone might mistake it for a personal attack...

Why? It wasn't directed at anyone...it was meant in a general sense. We are supposed to care about liberty which includes freedom of thought and speech..obviously within the parameters of the board rules. I can see klamath's claims applying in the Candidates forums but to say posting on the whole board makes us politicians is a bit out there.

 

[Carlybee]

And right there you start the personal insults.

It wasn't directed at you personally..but the idea that every post is subject to some sort of rule or censure is a form of fascism and a lot of liberty minded members no longer post here so it's silly to be concerned about turning off potential supporters while we keep losing existing supporters. Net loss.

 

[compromise]

I have some politician leanings rhetorically, but I'm definitely not a politician.

 

[Rothbardian Girl]

I have never understood the purpose of resorting to foul personal attacks through neg-repping. You can kick a person's ass in a debate pretty soundly without having to use profanity or personal attacks. I don't think personal attacks against anyone should be tolerated -- against other members of these forums, I would assume personal attacks break all kinds of forum guidelines, and the forums will suffer (not like they aren't already suffering) from an image problem if personally attacking politicians becomes the "in" thing to do.

I don't go in Grassroots Central or in Rand's forum that often, so I don't think I've personally seen many personal attacks leveled against him, but I do believe that sort of thing goes on - I've seen rude, mean-spirited comments made about other politicians in other places on this forum, whether they are liberal or conservative. It's not being PC to say that it makes us all look bad if half the posts disagreeing with something Chris Christie says have to do with his weight, for example.

 

[klamath]

Why? It wasn't directed at anyone...it was meant in a general sense. We are supposed to care about liberty which includes freedom of thought and speech..obviously within the parameters of the board rules. I can see klamath's claims applying in the Candidates forums but to say posting on the whole board makes us politicians is a bit out there.

It was a word used with the intent to inflame. It was a general insult at anyone that disagreed you.
Did I call for anyone to be banned? Freedom and thought is a two way street even with elected politicians.

 

[klamath]

I have never understood the purpose of resorting to foul personal attacks through neg-repping. You can kick a person's ass in a debate pretty soundly without having to use profanity or personal attacks. I don't think personal attacks against anyone should be tolerated -- against other members of these forums, I would assume personal attacks break all kinds of forum guidelines, and the forums will suffer (not like they aren't already suffering) from an image problem if personally attacking politicians becomes the "in" thing to do.

I don't go in Grassroots Central or in Rand's forum that often, so I don't think I've personally seen many personal attacks leveled against him, but I do believe that sort of thing goes on - I've seen rude, mean-spirited comments made about other politicians in other places on this forum, whether they are liberal or conservative. It's not being PC to say that it makes us all look bad if half the posts disagreeing with something Chris Christie says have to do with his weight, for example.

I adamently dislike Christie's politics and will never vote for him but yes fat comments are personal but unfortunately it isn't going to stop.

 

[klamath]

It wasn't directed at you personally..but the idea that every post is subject to some sort of rule or censure is a form of fascism and a lot of liberty minded members no longer post here so it's silly to be concerned about turning off potential supporters while we keep losing existing supporters. Net loss.

How were they censured? The only thing that was actually censured were the personal attacks.

 

[klamath]

Assholes are in the eye of the beholder. What offends you (or makes me an asshole) might not offend someone else or even show a reading on my "asshole-meter 1000".
That said, its a friggin message board. Pull up your big girl panties. It will be ok.

It is friggin politics pull up your big boy panties

 

[acptulsa]

Why? It wasn't directed at anyone...it was meant in a general sense.

Hmmm... So you were agreeing with the OP, I assume. Anything goes, and if you and Klamath want to make your flame war both personal and public all of us should just tolerate the two of you, hush up, and hope it gets entertaining? Even if the pair of you make us look bad?

The use of the word 'fascist' instead of the word 'totalitarian' or 'tyrannical' is, in this case, inaccurate. Fascism is specifically the combination of corporation and state--a form of oligarchy. That is not the case here. I don't think for a second Bryan takes his orders from Monsanto the way Obama does. And since fascism is so closely associated with Hitler, this kind of misuse of the term seems to me to be further proof of Godwin's Law. What's not to take personally?

Sometimes deescalation is what wins the battle...

It's not being PC to say that it makes us all look bad if half the posts disagreeing with something Chris Christie says have to do with his weight, for example.

What's more, it goes against our principles. His weight neither makes him right nor wrong. His weight is none of our business, in fact--especially as it could as easily be glandular as a function of alleged gluttony. And even if it is gluttony, are we not the very people who should be the first to say, 'I disagree with your decision to be gluttonous but I would fight to the death for your right to choose'?

Being funny is good. Comedy is often not pretty. But discretion is called for. So far, our greatest successes have come while we occupied the moral high ground. I think we should hold that high ground, and never relinquish it voluntarily.

Besides, his allegedly conservative, allegedly populist political so-called philosophy is funny enough. Who could possibly have to resort to his waistband to get a laugh going at his expense?

 

[calendula]

I've been on some other discussion forums, and most of them tend to be that way. I totally agree with the idea that many people turn into dicks when they are able to hide behind a screen. If you are going to participate in an online forum, especially a political one, you have to have a thick skin. I was surprised though at some of the things the mods let slide here though; a lot of other places are much more strict on that kind of thing. I don't like being called names or personally attacked, but on the other hand, I don't like censorship either.

 

[kahless]

Considering the forums mission statement is to "facilitate the grassroots initiatives.." I do not see how klamath is off the mark with the "politician" reference.

 

[Carlybee]

It was a word used with the intent to inflame. It was a general insult at anyone that disagreed you.
Did I call for anyone to be banned? Freedom and thought is a two way street even with elected politicians.

No it wasn't..that is your perception but you seem to get your panties in a bunch very easily so I won't push the point. What I mean is that the "idea" of censorship is a fascist concept. I am not calling you or anyone else a fascist. If we are all to be considered politicians and have to watch every word we say, then I for one would not be posting here anymore because it would cease to be a forum concerned with liberty which includes individual freedom. As I said, I can certainly understand not using the Candidate's forums for pissing matches. You are correct that anything posted can be disagreed with, but chasing people all over the forum and attacking them because they disagreed with you or you disagreed with them, should be weighed by the moderators as to whether it needs to be deleted or moved to an off topic area. But, it is up to the admin of this site to determine that...not individual members and I have had several including you try to tell me what I can and cannot post on here.

 

[Todd]

As an imperfect human being I try to stay away from the base of the pyramid. Everybody on these boards should strive for the tippy top.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Being a jerk or being right is one of the main functions of a discussion forum. It is, arguably, the main purpose. If you can't win anywhere else, try the forums.

Also, whenever two people come together, you'll have politics.

Okay now, bring it on. Somebody argue with me. Do it!

 

[Carlybee]

Being a jerk or being right is one of the main functions of a discussion forum. It is, arguably, the main purpose. If you can't win anywhere else, try the forums.

Also, whenever two people come together, you'll have politics.

Okay now, bring it on. Somebody argue with me. Do it!

Your dog is ugly?

 

[Ender]

I don't care who disagrees with whom; disagreement is healthy and we can all learn from different POVs.

What I do NOT appreciate is the name-calling and innuendoes about someone who might disagree with someone else's viewpoint. There is absolutely no reason for rude behavior, plus it only strengthens the opposing POV when it is mindlessly attacked.

 

[klamath]

No it wasn't..that is your perception but you seem to get your panties in a bunch very easily so I won't push the point. What I mean is that the "idea" of censorship is a fascist concept. I am not calling you or anyone else a fascist. If we are all to be considered politicians and have to watch every word we say, then I for one would not be posting here anymore because it would cease to be a forum concerned with liberty which includes individual freedom. As I said, I can certainly understand not using the Candidate's forums for pissing matches. You are correct that anything posted can be disagreed with, but chasing people all over the forum and attacking them because they disagreed with you or you disagreed with them, should be weighed by the moderators as to whether it needs to be deleted or moved to an off topic area. But, it is up to the admin of this site to determine that...not individual members and I have had several including you try to tell me what I can and cannot post on here.

Where did I say you couldn't post? I disagreed with your posts and didn't agree that you should have posted but I never once reported you to a mod to stop you so and get over it. Which by the way referencing someones "panties" is a personal insult. What do Panties(female undergarmets) have to do with a politcal discussion?

 

[Carlybee]

Where did I say you couldn't post? I disagreed with your posts and didn't agree that you should have posted but I never once reported you to a mod to stop you so and get over it. Which by the way referencing someones "panties" is a personal insult. What do Panties(female undergarmets) have to do with a politcal discussion?

Really, you are insulted by a figure of speech that is used quite frequently? Are you a liberal? Out of this thread...you are too whiny for me to deal with. And you never answered my question about "which side" I am. Should I find that insulting?

 

[Ender]

Your dog is ugly?

Not my dog! She's adorable.