If you love liberty, vote NO on this smoking ban poll for business owners

Tod said:
Take the 2nd Amendment. We have the right to bear arms. But suppose most everyone who bore arms went around shooting things (like signs, parked cars, windows, etc) and people for the fun of it instead of behaving responsibly? How long do you think the 2nd Amendment would remain a part of the Constitution? It would have been repealed long ago. True, there are many people who would like to do away with it no matter if everyone were responsible with their weapons, but there would be many many more if the vast majority of gun owners weren't so responsible. Those in favor of gun ownership wouldn't be able to convince enough people of the importance of gun ownership.
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I'm glad you brought that up.

All across the country, people are losing places to shoot and ranges, both public and private, are closing, because of people using the exact same argument you are using against tobacco.

Modern firearms cartridges are deadly toxic stew of a whole slew of dangerous chemicals, from lead, to lead styphnate to nitrocellulose, nitroglycerin, nitroguanidine, nitroxyethylnitramine, tetramethylolcyclopentanone, di-ethylene glycol dinitrate and acetyl cellulose, just to mention a few things.

And that's before being fired and creating all the toxic by products of combustion in addition to slinging lead particles everywhere.

And lets not even speak of the noise, that, were it not for onerous ATF regulations, could be easily mitigated.

Since everybody has the red ass over every little thing that might disturb them, instead of just shrugging it off, before long there will be no place left to shoot.
 
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jmdrake said:
Hmmmm....okay. I'm not a smoker so I have no idea what works and what doesn't. That sucks about that restaurant. They should have been allowed to at least test their system under the ban. Would the increase in business from smokers offset the cost of the system? But alas our "one size fits all" government doesn't allow for that. :(

Side note, I've been to one of those "hookah" bars and while there was a smell it wasn't noxious or overwhelming like going to a typical bar where people light up with cigarettes has been for me. I don't know if this is because the smoke is being filtered through water or if it's pure tobacco or if the little fruit pieces they put up top makes the difference.

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AquaBuddha baby! ;)
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It's the paper, the additives and the enhancers that are added to cigarettes that most people, unaware, are objecting to.

Pure, dried, unflavored, organic tobacco smoked in a pipe or cigar smells completely different than a cigarette.
 
angelatc said:
An apartment is not your property. If the property owner only wants to rent to non-smokers, that's certainly his right. (Personally, I hate the smell of curry.....)
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I'm not speaking of owners prohibiting smoking, or pets or whatever in property that they rent.

I'm talking about the state banning it, in any multi unit configuration.

Do you own your townhouse or condo?
 
jmdrake said:
Side note, I've been to one of those "hookah" bars and while there was a smell it wasn't noxious or overwhelming like going to a typical bar where people light up with cigarettes has been for me. I don't know if this is because the smoke is being filtered through water or if it's pure tobacco or if the little fruit pieces they put up top makes the difference.
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Well they start out with premium tobacco, then they soak it in flavored molasses. It also gets more of a vaprozing action and less of a burning action because they use a charcoal on top and so you are just sucking massive amounts of heat through the tobacco.
 
dannno said:
I'm really allergic to dogs and a lot of perfumes, I'd never try to get either of those banned..
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There is a hamburger chain called 'Five Guys' that served free peanuts to shell and eat in line while waiting for your order. They were sued and had to put up signs warning of peanut allergies. That was awhile ago. I imagine they are peanut free today.
 
phill4paul said:
There is a hamburger chain called 'Five Guys' that served free peanuts to shell and eat in line while waiting for your order. They were sued and had to put up signs warning of peanut allergies. That was awhile ago. I imagine they are peanut free today.
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I imagine the Texas Road House chain will get sued too.
 
phill4paul said:
There is a hamburger chain called 'Five Guys' that served free peanuts to shell and eat in line while waiting for your order. They were sued and had to put up signs warning of peanut allergies. That was awhile ago. I imagine they are peanut free today.
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The one in Manchester, New Hampshire still has peanuts.
 
Anti Federalist said:
I imagine the Texas Road House chain will get sued too.
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Slippery slope. ;)

http://www.onpointnews.com/NEWS/185k-award-more-than-peanuts-for-restaurant-102708.html

"Angela Bishoff appears to be the first plaintiff ever to win a slip-and-fall case involving a restaurant's peanut shell-throwing policy. She broke her kneecap after slipping on “peanuts and peanut debris” at the Temple, Texas, location of the Texas Roadhouse (Nasdaq: TXRH) chain."

It won't stop at peanut allergies...it never does........

http://www.allergyeats.com/blog/ind...n-the-food-allergy-and-gluten-free-community/

"Texas Roadhouse is already “unfriendly” to those with a peanut allergy, as are a few other chains that believe peanuts strewn about the restaurant is a key part of their image (see Five Guys Burgers & Fries… and peanuts, and more peanuts, and more!). I don’t begrudge them that – they have every right to create the image they want. However, the combination of these seems to suggest that Texas Roadhouse understands they cannot safely handle any food allergies or intolerances. If they don’t believe they are prepared to prevent cross-contamination when it comes to gluten-free, then they are obviously not comfortable enough to welcome any diner with food allergies either."
 
Fuck me running...

phill4paul said:
Slippery slope. ;)

http://www.onpointnews.com/NEWS/185k-award-more-than-peanuts-for-restaurant-102708.html

"Angela Bishoff appears to be the first plaintiff ever to win a slip-and-fall case involving a restaurant's peanut shell-throwing policy. She broke her kneecap after slipping on “peanuts and peanut debris” at the Temple, Texas, location of the Texas Roadhouse (Nasdaq: TXRH) chain."

It won't stop at peanut allergies...it never does........

http://www.allergyeats.com/blog/ind...n-the-food-allergy-and-gluten-free-community/

"Texas Roadhouse is already “unfriendly” to those with a peanut allergy, as are a few other chains that believe peanuts strewn about the restaurant is a key part of their image (see Five Guys Burgers & Fries… and peanuts, and more peanuts, and more!). I don’t begrudge them that – they have every right to create the image they want. However, the combination of these seems to suggest that Texas Roadhouse understands they cannot safely handle any food allergies or intolerances. If they don’t believe they are prepared to prevent cross-contamination when it comes to gluten-free, then they are obviously not comfortable enough to welcome any diner with food allergies either."
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donnay said:
The one in Manchester, New Hampshire still has peanuts.
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Seems they are continuing the fight. However, it is only a matter of time. They are, after all, a 'public' establishment. And subject to the laws imposed by the 'majority' of the public.
 
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