If we could buy 1000 acres or more, who would join us?

Deborah K said:
I wrote a thread the other day asking for your top 10 states in which to live: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?421667-Please-rank-the-top-10-states-in-which-to-live

I did it because Mark and I have pretty much decided we can't live in Cali anymore, so we're going to move as many of our family members as want to leave, to another state. Our efforts here have run their course, Cali is pretty much a police state now.

We've been invited to live in a 'free zone' of other like-minded Americans, but we really don't like the state, so we're not altogether sure if we want to go.

I'm throwing this idea out here just to get opinions on people banding together geographically and becoming self-reliant. When I mentioned it in another thread, I got this response:



To which I replied:




My reasoning is this: When, not if, the economic collapse is in full swing, I contend that the first victims will be those living off the dole, in densely populated areas. The gov't, in all its forms, will be preoccupied dealing with civil unrest, while those of us who have settled in unpopulated areas and are self-sustaining (for the most part), will be the last to be bothered with. We will NOT be in their cross-hairs.

Are they watching our types? Hell YES they are! I know this first hand. I have 3 extremely reliable contacts, and I know the liberty movement is on the watch list. HOWEVER, they are watching to see if we intend to organize a violent uprising or insurrection - and we're definitely not. We do have activists in our movement who practice civil disobedience to help bring awareness to the cause of liberty, but we are overwhelmingly in favor of NAP.

I believe their goal is to slowly boil the frog, slowly take over everything and turn us all into employees of the gov't (serfs). Although, they will continue to attempt to present the façade of free enterprise, and individual freedom. I don't think tptb really want an all out war with American citizenry, they'd rather do this incrementally (certain psychopathic police forces notwithstanding). However, they are gearing up for civil unrest on a massive scale because of the inevitable economic collapse.

So, it is with this analogy, that I believe our kind will have a better chance at survival, if we band together while we still can. Their focus will not be on those who are quietly living out their lives and not requiring help from them. Not for a long while, anyway. If we are scattered, as we are now, and martial law goes into effect your area, you will be alone, and not with your liberty family.

Thoughts?
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Jeez. I am with ya but's were about a year or two ealry though man
 
Here is the deal. I will travel to where you are but let's be ready for anything, anything at all
 
If I come out there or any where let' be ready for alot of anything going on. I carry my own currency as well as my own coins, and ciggarettes.
 
What with BRAC, former mil bases sound pretty good!

My main concerns would be:
Unexploded ordnance
Buying a superfund site...

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-19232491.html

For sale: decommissioned military base. (includes related articles)(Cover Story)



Base closings offer new real estate opportunities for expanding companies.

For Sale or Lease By Owner: 1,000 acres adjacent to major municipality. Approximately 400 buildings included. Space includes office, manufacturing, warehouse, and more. Site has golf course, small airfield, roads, parking, utilities, and other related infrastructure. Immediate reuse possibilities. Some environmental remediation needed. Contact Uncle Sam for details.

The U.S. Armed Forces are looking down the barrel. Hundreds of decommissioned bases across the country are waiting to be sold. In the Navy alone, funding cuts have targeted 135 installations since 1988. While military cutbacks make many local communities nervous for some it means the loss of thousands of jobs - the trend could prove a boon to companies looking to expand or relocate.

Several million acres across the country are present and accounted for, waiting for redevelopment and reuse. Bases offer an array of building types, from manufacturing to daycare. "It is helpful to look at our installations as small towns," says John B. Nerger, deputy director of the Army's Base Realignment of Closure Office, Washington, D.C. Some installations contain unique offerings such as airfields, golf courses, and marinas. Many are ready for immediate deployment and carry attractive price tags. "It is not a public property giveaway program, but depending on the circumstances there are opportunities to acquire at less than fair market value if certain stipulations apply," adds Nerger. Bases also tend to be located in or near major municipalities.

If purchasing a military base sounds good, don't phone the Pentagon. Find the central point of command - the local reuse authority (LRA). In an effort to provide a fair closure and realignment process, military departments are working with LRAs - typically local municipalities or port authorities - to sell and lease surplus property. In some cases, LRAs can offer tax incentives through state or local governments. Typically, the military negotiates a master lease with the LRA, which, in turn, subleases to commercial tenants. These can be short- or longer-term leases and can include an option to buy.

Although there are benefits to base reuse, there are also obstacles. Installations often need environmental remediation, and the government doesn't always have the funds on hand for a timely cleanup. Underground storage tanks of petroleum-based products, industrial solvent seepage, asbestos, and lead paint may have assaulted a base, whether because of past missions or age of construction. Many bases are 50 years old and older, and some buildings may be built to outdated code standards or with materials such as asbestos. The military is responsible for environmental remediation, but lack of funding oftentimes extends cleanup schedules to more than a decade.

Until recently, federal agencies could not transfer land to a new owner until remediation was complete. This made property transfer long and …


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Off topic, but a fun read:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tec...ture/strangest-military-bases-gallery#slide-1

The World's 18 Strangest Military Bases
The world's hodgepodge of military bases run the gamut from hazardous mountaintop forts to seemingly impenetrable underground bunkers. Then there are bases on remote islands tracking objects in deep space and high-tech laboratories probing the most lethal microbes in existence. The design of a base needs to address the immediate needs of a military while still being versatile enough to remain useful as threats and technology evolve. We tracked down some of the most interesting active military facilities and spoke with Brad Schulz, vice president of federal architecture at HNTB, about why they're notable.

(click through)

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