If we could buy 1000 acres or more, who would join us?

[presence]

My wife has property in Virginia in the Blue Ridge Mountains, and we've been thinking of moving there eventually. Would be great to have liberty minded people in the area. I've thought about buying more property there, also.

Something I've found to be oddly true in my travels, the higher altitude the greater the density of liberty minded folks.

 

[tod evans]

Something I've found to be oddly true in my travels, the higher altitude the greater the density of liberty minded folks.

Are you saying high people are dense?

 

[Deborah K]

Are you saying high people are dense?

 

[Lindsey]

My wife has property in Virginia in the Blue Ridge Mountains, and we've been thinking of moving there eventually. Would be great to have liberty minded people in the area. I've thought about buying more property there, also.

This might be workable for us too. I always loved SW Virginia.

I could deal with a view like this: (I am sure it's fantastic come Fall.)

http://www.landandfarm.com/property/100_Acres_Mountain_Land_With_Beautiful_Waterfalls-654160/

I wouldn't mind having a creek like this either:

http://www.unitedcountry.com/search...&Page=1&Office=45009&No=45009-20700&AU=N&FT=P

This one's over 2000 acres:

http://www.landandfarm.com/property/2075_Acres_in_Botetourt_County_Virginia-350330/

And these are just some of the first ones I found, there are a ton of even more beautiful properties for sale in SW VA. It's not priced like the northern Nevada desert where you can buy yourself a square mile (640 acres) for under $100,000; but the prices/acre don't seem to terrible to me, especially considering the lushness and number of properties with water running through them.

 

[Czolgosz]

We could be that small town....

Indeed.


You must, however, accept that by doing so you *will* be attacked by "authority." This freedom town will need to have a well trained militia and its own system of adjudication...or you will ultimately be negotiating freedom and submitting.

FSP, if it's truly successful (and I hope it is) will reach a point where "authority" will crack down on it. I hope they've taken consideration of this fact.


*edit: I'd like to see a place that isn't landlocked so that free trade can exist w/ international trading partners (one of the pluses for NH, I suppose)

 

[FindLiberty]

Will there be a fence with barbed wire along the top? That barbed wire usually gets attached to a bracket tilted at a 45 degree angle (towards the intruder) ...If so equipped, then the important question is, does it face in or out?

BTW, This is a Wire or "Hampshire" gate. Ironic "Free State" name association there!

 

[The Northbreather]

The only advantage imho of banding together would be more buying power at the point of sale. The more acreage purchased at the same time the better price per acre, especially above 500 acres.

This is where I would draw the line as far as cooperating with other individuals as "shared land" is often fraught with difficulty.

Buying land together to improve purchase power is good.
Buy land together to share can become a nightmare for those involved.

First off, when you are looking for land to divide there needs to be a written agreement of who occupies which area. ''

Most properties are not homogenous in terms of features and benefits. There will some areas that will have superior water access, sun, topography, soil fertility, beauty, seclusion, lumber, firewood, etc. Who gets what? These are extremely important issues that if not dealt with on paper from the get go, turn ugly fast.

Not to mention the fact that when buying land many people have there own designs in mind for the future of the space. What if one of the investors decides to start collecting and dismantling junk cars? What if one person wants to throw concerts every night and others have a newborn child?

Many friends and families soon learn the meaning of the old phrase "Good fences make good neighbors".

Pooling money to buy adjacent land, I would be into that.

 

[TaftFan]

http://www.landwatch.com/

 

[ClydeCoulter]

My wife's property is in Patrick County, VA, a river runs through/along it. Good for wood, water, gardens, etc...

 

[Carlybee]

Should probably look at climate, is land sustainable, good for farming, plenty of water, does it have access to underground springs for wells, etc. Would mountainous land be more expensive to build on due to grading? Is ground solid enough to build basements/bunkers? Is it mild enough in winter to grow anything?

 

[muzzled dogg]

just move to nh

 

[anaconda]

I wonder if 1000 acres of liberty activists would be bunker buster missile priority target?

 

[Lindsey]

just move to nh

Keene, NH - historical average January High Temp 32F; Low Temp 9F.

I grew up in the mountains; I never tolerated the cold well then, and now I can barely tolerate the cold here in Philly where our historical avg January High is 41F; Low Temp 25F. Some of us just aren't cut out to handle the extremes, or at least would rather not subject ourselves to them if it's not necessary.

Stuart, Va (Patrick County) is only marginally better than Philly but still leaps warmer than NH with historical avg Jan High Temp at 48F, low temp 23F.

Weather is my first 5 reasons I won't move to NH. I like being outside and I like to be relatively comfortable while I am there.

 

[Deborah K]

Should probably look at climate, is land sustainable, good for farming, plenty of water, does it have access to underground springs for wells, etc. Would mountainous land be more expensive to build on due to grading? Is ground solid enough to build basements/bunkers? Is it mild enough in winter to grow anything?

The laws in the area are important too. And, if we decide to do this, it might be wise to buy up land about an hour away from a small town, so that we still have access to a hospital, automotive, hardware store, etc. The compound idea could work for those who can't afford to buy anything and need more time, or those who can contribute but only a little. At least this way we're in the same area.

Does anyone know anything about the land/laws on the border between Oklahoma and Texas? I'm worried about moving to a frigidly cold area now that I have so many broken bones. I don't want to live out the rest of my life in constant pain during the winters.

 

[Deborah K]

I wonder if 1000 acres of liberty activists would be bunker buster missile priority target?

Did you read the OP? I explain my reasoning as to why we wouldn't be in the crosshairs.

 

[Carlybee]

The laws in the area are important too. And, if we decide to do this, it might be wise to buy up land about an hour away from a small town, so that we still have access to a hospital, automotive, hardware store, etc. The compound idea could work for those who can't afford to buy anything and need more time, or those who can contribute but only a little. At least this way we're in the same area.

Does anyone know anything about the land/laws on the border between Oklahoma and Texas? I'm worried about moving to a frigidly cold area now that I have so many broken bones. I don't want to live out the rest of my life in constant pain during the winters.

Deb it gets really cold in North Texas and Oklahoma in the winter and hot as hell in the summer. If its to be Texas IMO the Alpine area is more moderate but water might be a bit more scarce. Oh and N Tx/Ok...a big swath of that is in tornado alley.

 

[Deborah K]

Deb it gets really cold in North Texas and Oklahoma in the winter and hot as hell in the summer. If its to be Texas IMO the Alpine area is more moderate but water might be a bit more scarce. Oh and N Tx/Ok...a big swath of that is in tornado alley.

Okay.

 

[tod evans]

"Really cold" is subjective...

Length of cold is worthy of consideration too.

There's lots of gray beards and ponytails in the Ozarks, but the Ozarks is right square in the buckle of the bible belt too...

Depends more on area than anything...

There's areas of Tx and Ok that are nice and I don't find the weather oppressive..

 

[Carlybee]

"Really cold" is subjective...

Length of cold is worthy of consideration too.

There's lots of gray beards and ponytails in the Ozarks, but the Ozarks is right square in the buckle of the bible belt too...

Depends more on area than anything...

There's areas of Tx and Ok that are nice and I don't find the weather oppressive..

Well true winter doesn't last that long but north Texas gets snow and ice. Amarillo for example gets some of the same weather as Colorado. And the whole state has pretty long summers. Ie May through September.

 

[Deborah K]

"Really cold" is subjective...

Length of cold is worthy of consideration too.

There's lots of gray beards and ponytails in the Ozarks, but the Ozarks is right square in the buckle of the bible belt too...

Depends more on area than anything...

There's areas of Tx and Ok that are nice and I don't find the weather oppressive..

Me no likey tornados. Any other suggestions? I was wondering about states that border other states. I'm not ruling out frigid cold winters, but it's not my first choice.