If RyanCare fails the vote, it may cost him his job

William Tell said:
Hey Dannno, turns out RyanCare is a great plan. Oppose the Deep State and call your congressman asking him to support this GREAT plan today and MAGA! :rolleyes:



Or you could do what Massie, Rand, and the Deep State want by opposing this GREAT plan.
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Why does it matter what Trump says if it is going to fail anyway?

I already explained why he is giving his tacit support, it's to get Paul Ryan out.
 
I think it will pass. I think that Ryan will cross party lines and get Pelosi's blessing to allow some moderate Democrats to vote yes.

If it fails and it's viewed as a loss significant enough to eject Ryan from the chair, I will give Trump mad props on his 4D chess skills. (That's me, desperate to believe this will fail.)
 
angelatc said:
I think it will pass. I think that Ryan will cross party lines and get Pelosi's blessing to allow some moderate Democrats to vote yes.

If it fails and it's viewed as a loss significant enough to eject Ryan from the chair, I will give Trump mad props on his 4D chess skills. (That's me, desperate to believe this will fail.)
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Yeah, if it fails and Ryan is ejected all credit towards defeating it should definitely go to Trump. /s
 
phill4paul said:
Yeah, if it fails and Ryan is ejected all credit towards defeating it should definitely go to Trump. /s
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No, no, you still don't understand the premise here. Let me explain again so we can have a better understanding of Trump's roll in this.

If Trump didn't support the bill, then the failure would be blamed on Trump and Ryan would not be ejected. Trump would take all the heat. So Trump has to support the bill in order for the failure to fall on Ryan's hands, so that he can be ejected.

Does that make sense?
 
dannno said:
No, no, you still don't understand the premise here. Let me explain again so we can have a better understanding of Trump's roll in this.

If Trump didn't support the bill, then the failure would be blamed on Trump and Ryan would not be ejected. Trump would take all the heat. So Trump has to support the bill in order for the failure to fall on Ryan's hands, so that he can be ejected.

Does that make sense?
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Wouldn't it have just been easier for him to endorse someone else for speaker?
 
+ REP to anyone who can find and post a livestream to the house of Reps so I can watch this go down!
 
dannno said:
No, no, you still don't understand the premise here. Let me explain again so we can have a better understanding of Trump's roll in this.

If Trump didn't support the bill, then the failure would be blamed on Trump and Ryan would not be ejected. Trump would take all the heat. So Trump has to support the bill in order for the failure to fall on Ryan's hands, so that he can be ejected.

Does that make sense?
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That's exactly what I was thinking. Trump did a yeoman's job of supporting this bill. Both Trump and Pence even went on the road to promote it. If he did all that knowing it would fail and take Ryan down when it did....that's some devious stuff.

Because health care bill aside, I do not think Ryan likes Trump and vice versa.
 
angelatc said:
That's exactly what I was thinking. Trump did a yeoman's job of supporting this bill. Both Trump and Pence even went on the road to promote it. If he did all that knowing it would fail and take Ryan down when it did....that's some devious stuff.

Because health care bill aside, I do not think Ryan likes Trump and vice versa.
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Just Dannno's crazy wishful thinking at play here to reconcile it in his head. It's a typical response to cognitive dissonance.

No, they went to Kentucky to try to apply pressure to Rand through his constituents. It was a play to demonstrate to those reps in vulnerable districts what they could expect.

But don't worry... However this ends up going down, these Trump supporters will find a way to say it is what Trump wanted all along and what a genius he must be.

(I'm still not sure how it'll turn out - I suppose we'll see soon - but I DO know that Trump must be a genius either way!!!)
 
CaptUSA said:
Just Dannno's crazy wishful thinking at play here to reconcile it in his head.
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I try to avoid the Trump threads because there's just no point. But this particular scenario occurred in my head, not Dannno's.

(I'm still not sure how it'll turn out - I suppose we'll see soon - but I DO know that Trump must be a genius either way!!!)
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The thing about cognitive dissonance is that anyone can experience it. Trump has succeeded in just about every field he's entered. He mastered business, entertainment, and now politics. But some people insist he's a buffoon?
 
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So are there people on here who actually think Trump will veto this bill if it passes the House and the Senate?
 
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