If RyanCare fails the vote, it may cost him his job

[Jan2017]

When Ryan was considering becoming speaker he had some demands about changing the rules to make it harder to overthrow a speaker, did those changes actually occur?

It seems like Meadows or another Congressman could introduce a vote to vacate Ryan's position as speaker pretty quickly.
If Ryan is running ads against fellow GOP in their home districts to get them out of Congress in 2018, I'd say "fair ball".


"Rep. Paul Ryan, Boehner's eventual successor, initially stated that he would seek the Speakership only if changes were made to the rule.
A spokesperson for Ryan stated in October, "No matter who is speaker, they cannot be successful with this weapon pointed at them all the time."

The House Freedom Caucus, however, objected and reportedly called the condition a "non-starter."

Shortly thereafter, Ryan—who was elected speaker on October 29 (2015)—dropped the condition and agreed with the Freedom Caucus to
leave discussions about making changes to the rule for another time."
https://ballotpedia.org/Verbatim_fa...vacate_the_chair"_rule_last_used_in_Congress?

 

[shakey1]

Could this have been Trump's plan all along? Go through the motions supporting Ryan's plan and then when it fails use that as the pretext of getting rid of his most powerful enemy in Congress? I noticed on CNN this morning that despite the anchor doing everything she could to paint Rand's opposition to the bill as opposition to Trump, Rand refused to take the bait and instead laid blame for the bill squarely on Ryan while insisting that he and Trump were on the same side. Could Rand and Trump have masterminded this whole thing?

We do live in inarresting times.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

That's a good reason to vote against it all by itself.

+1

 

[CaptUSA]

Could this have been Trump's plan all along? Go through the motions supporting Ryan's plan and then when it fails use that as the pretext of getting rid of his most powerful enemy in Congress? I noticed on CNN this morning that despite the anchor doing everything she could to paint Rand's opposition to the bill as opposition to Trump, Rand refused to take the bait and instead laid blame for the bill squarely on Ryan while insisting that he and Trump were on the same side. Could Rand and Trump have masterminded this whole thing?

Here's my prediction: No matter which way this goes down, people will use it as confirmation of their pre-formed beliefs of "what is really happening".

 

[jllundqu]

I called my Rep and they stated he is a solid NO vote on this bill. Rand said that Ryan would pull the bill if it didn't have the votes rather than suffer a massive public defeat.

 

[William Tell]

I called my Rep and they stated he is a solid NO vote on this bill. Rand said that Ryan would pull the bill if it didn't have the votes rather than suffer a massive public defeat.

Yeah but when he pulls the bill he's suffered almost as big a defeat. Not over till the fat lady sings. + Rep for calling your Critter!

 

[CPUd]

If there's any next level gamesmanship going on here (which I doubt), we should know it when the CBO score comes out tonight. It would show that the revised AHCA would insure less people than a clean repeal of ACA. So they scrap the bill and fully repeal ACA, which is what they wanted all along.

 

[Origanalist]

Here's my prediction: No matter which way this goes down, people will use it as confirmation of their pre-formed beliefs of "what is really happening".

You are really going out on a limb there.

 

[William Tell]

Could this have been Trump's plan all along? Go through the motions supporting Ryan's plan and then when it fails use that as the pretext of getting rid of his most powerful enemy in Congress? I noticed on CNN this morning that despite the anchor doing everything she could to paint Rand's opposition to the bill as opposition to Trump, Rand refused to take the bait and instead laid blame for the bill squarely on Ryan while insisting that he and Trump were on the same side. Could Rand and Trump have masterminded this whole thing?

Absolutely! Just like Obama's plan with Obamacare was to get rid of Nancy Pelosi as speaker!

She's not speaker anymore!

This explains why Trump threatened Mark Meadows to vote for the plan Trump is secretly against!

 

[dannno]

Could this have been Trump's plan all along? Go through the motions supporting Ryan's plan and then when it fails use that as the pretext of getting rid of his most powerful enemy in Congress? I noticed on CNN this morning that despite the anchor doing everything she could to paint Rand's opposition to the bill as opposition to Trump, Rand refused to take the bait and instead laid blame for the bill squarely on Ryan while insisting that he and Trump were on the same side. Could Rand and Trump have masterminded this whole thing?

Absofuckinglutely.

You don't think they were talking about their golf game back when Trump was calling Rand a couple times a week back when all this started do you?

 

[dannno]

This explains why Trump threatened Mark Meadows to vote for the plan Trump is secretly against!

You think that is completely out of the realm of being possible? Why?

 

[seapilot]

I would love for McCain to lose his seat its long over due.

Yeah he has already lost his mind.

 

[CPUd]

Rand has enough sense to know if he calls it Trumpcare, they won't let him post articles on Breitbart.

 

[seapilot]

Could this have been Trump's plan all along? Go through the motions supporting Ryan's plan and then when it fails use that as the pretext of getting rid of his most powerful enemy in Congress? I noticed on CNN this morning that despite the anchor doing everything she could to paint Rand's opposition to the bill as opposition to Trump, Rand refused to take the bait and instead laid blame for the bill squarely on Ryan while insisting that he and Trump were on the same side. Could Rand and Trump have masterminded this whole thing?

I noticed a few big supporters of Ryan calling it TrumpCare after its already been called RyanCare by Rand and many others. Trying to downplay Ryans hand at writing and bringing it to life. Trump will own it when he actually signs whatever comes out and that will be called Trumpcare. Until then its Ryan's.

 

[CPUd]

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/844602222587658246

 

[TheCount]

This explains why Trump threatened Mark Meadows to vote for the plan Trump is secretly against!

You think that is completely out of the realm of being possible? Why?

 

[dannno]

Ya, politicians NEVER say one thing and mean another, amirite??

 

[William Tell]

You think that is completely out of the realm of being possible? Why?

Because I'm not retarded.

 

[William Tell]

The longer answer is because Trump did everything he could to get RyanCare to pass. It still might, what then, he says oops? Seriously, the guy could get Paul Ryan fired easily if he wanted without playing secret games.

 

[dannno]

Because I'm not retarded.

lol... ya, politicians always tell the truth