If Ron Paul is not on the ballot, I'm seriously considering Gary.

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Then go INTO Uganda and eventually Iran because Gary believes in helping Israel militarily with MY money.

Unlikely. Why? WE CAN'T AFFORD IT.

You'll have noticed that INSUFFICIENTLY IDEOLOGICAL has been the rejoinder of Purists and Pouters.

Gary Johnson is a DISTINCTLY libertarian-leaning Pragmatist. We cannot AFFORD more military excursions just now. Pity. Maybe later.

Isn't RAND on deck in four years?

For the sake of argument, let's say HE HAS NO CHANCE AT WINNING. Not even the carrot "SLIM" chance.

It would STILL be good for EVERYONE BUT BAD GUYS, for Gary Johnson to be in the debates.

 

[Weston White]

I intend to write in Ron Paul, but in Nebraska they don't count in write in votes unless you petition 3k names. Yeah WTF. When I was at Boys State the speaker of the unicameral was there I called him out on that and said ' How is this democracy when OUR VOTE is not counted? ' His rebuttal ' Who wants to count Mickey Mouse all day ' Me: That's still their vote, count it.

So I'm kinda torn... I may vote Gary who knows

It really is that easy. The obvious distinction being that Ron Paul is a legitimate vote, while Mickey Mouse is not. If their volunteers cannot tell the difference or have mental issues discerning the distinction between an actual person and a fictional character, than perhaps they should not be counting votes to begin with. Therefore, whenever they receive a write-in vote for Mickey Mouse, Santa Clause, Oscar the Grouch, Cookie Monster, Gumby, Mr. Monk or whatever else, simply toss it aside, but whenever they otherwise get a legitimate write-in vote for say Ron Paul, your people better be sure to count it. Period, unquestionably, without any doubt or confusion.

 

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Who is connected to whom? Alma maters, Spouses, the werks. Inquiring Minds love to hate Intrigue.

How much money is involved? Do the universities PAY or MAKE MONEY?

What does an ADVERTISING MINUTE cost during debates? How much advertising moolah do networks haul in during debates?

Have Deciders been SPREADING THE WELFARE over the years, or does the honor nestle among a Few?

Florida gets a national convention AND a presidential debate? Maybe EVERY state should elect a Bush.

Who green-lights such superficial, get-us-nowhere questions?

Academicians, of ALL people, should be comparatively easy to pressure toward INCLUSIVITY and INTELLECTUAL INTEGRITY.

 

[Teenager For Ron Paul]

I'd vote for the socialist party candidate before I'd vote for R-money or Obomba. But I'm (literally) a day too young to vote.

 

[Nathan Hale]

Gary does not believe in going in to Iran. As he said in the Ron Paul Flix interview, he would stay out of an Iranian/Israeli war.

I'll be voting for Gary Johnson in November.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Ugh, supporting this bum would be the death of our movement. Talk about a giant leap backward

 

[Nathan Hale]

Ugh, supporting this bum would be the death of our movement. Talk about a giant leap backward

Your boy at infowars, Alex Jones, has endorsed him.

 

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Ugh, supporting this bum would be the death of our movement. Talk about a giant leap backward

got objectivity?

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

we cant afford to dilute our votes everywhere...

 

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we cant afford to dilute our votes everywhere...

Sooo, everyone vote for Gary Johnson to draw from Mitt Romney to lose to Barack Obama to set up Rand Paul...RIGHT?

 

[kuckfeynes]

Meh, if we couldn't get Ron to win a nomination there is no way a smaller, less enthusiastic group will win Gary the general.
I mean lets face it, besides a few legislative and philosophical shortcomings, he simply lacks that inspirational tone that moves crowds.
Y'all can take the time out of your day if it makes you feel good, I'll be voting right here in this chair.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Your boy at infowars, Alex Jones, has endorsed him.

I know he was pushing him pretty hard, and Jesse Ventura has endorsed him and is pushing him in every interview. I disagree with them because this is not the guy who we want to have as the face of the freedom movement. Jettisoning principles and ideas for 'cost / benefit' bullshit is a big step backward

 

[Christopholes11]

Well the "cost/benefit" approach is what changed me from a neo-con to a libertarian. It wasn't until I began watching Ron Paul that I completely understood the morality of it. The "cost/benefit" approach honestly makes more sense to me, but I suppose that's personal taste. I still like Ron more, but Gary is a very solid option in my book.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Well the "cost/benefit" approach is what changed me from a neo-con to a libertarian. It wasn't until I began watching Ron Paul that I completely understood the morality of it. The "cost/benefit" approach honestly makes more sense to me, but I suppose that's personal taste. I still like Ron more, but Gary is a very solid option in my book.

My problem with him is if he gets a big chunk of the vote, he's liable to be pushed as the new face of libertarianism. I wouldn't want that to happen. I don't think he's a good torch bearer for the movement as he's just Republican-lite. He's basically the stereotype of libertarianism as a 'Republican who smokes pot'. I also don't like that he was put in the Republican race to distract from Paul and said many things on the campaign trail against him that I didn't like. He's also stealing Paul's talking points about the Fed and trying to co-opt it to promote himself. No way he'd have ever said a word about the Fed had Paul not brought national attention to the issue. He's way better than Bob Barr though, I'll give him that.

 

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Gary is good on pot. Make Romney lose votes for being a drug warrior.

This is a BIG DEAL, literally.

DECRIMINALIZATION OF MARIJUANA = IMMEDIATE REVENUE + IMMEDIATE SAVINGS = WIN + WIN.

Plus JUSTICE, not that we care too much about that.

Let "blame" for the inevitable fall on NEITHER Establishment party, rather, on a third-party fluke.

 

[Origanalist]

I'm not really sure what I'm going to do. It may the first time in my voting live that I abstain. We had a chance to stop the madness......hell, I don't know.

 

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...If Johnson actually had a real chance to win the presidency, then I'd have some real concerns about him...

Meeeaning...WHAT? That in the wildly unlikely event of Johnson winning, he would make a WORSE president than Obama or Romney?

 

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funny, i think a lot of the people that don't like johnson are more of the conservative strain; but maybe thats just me.

The Republican Party IS tacking harder "right".

It IS the "more conservative" strain of the Liberty Moovement that is "suddenly" mollified by making inroads within the Republican Machine and getting other Republicans into other offices.

"Suddenly", winning the Oval Office was NOT the goal or expectation in 2012...no, no, no, "we" are making "baby steps" toward setting up FUTURE REPUBLICAN GAINS which, even further in the future, will restore Liberty & Justice.

For Republicans, if not for everyone. But it's a START.

 

[G-Wohl]

You guys are extremely picky, irrational, and stuck in your libertarian bubbles if you think Gary Johnson isn't a solid alternative to Ron Paul.

I think he's even better. Doesn't appear to be a particularly religious man, respects a woman's right to her own body and elective medical procedures, and doesn't have any apparent negative feelings towards people who live alternative lifestyles. Also, he's much better on the border issue.