If Rand Paul Loses GOP Primary, What Will You Do?

What will you do on election day?


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The elites aren't giving up the Presidency to anyone unless they've been preapproved by them...plan a is to assassinate any anti-establishment candidates character, and if that doesn't work, then it's time for old reliable: outright vote fraud, which there was no doubt plenty of with Ron in 2008 and 2012.
Incorrect. Reagan was the anti-establishment candidate and he was able to fight the establishment and win.

And vote fraud is not widespread on a massive scale like some might think. It can happen in small amounts within a couple of percentage points in some isolated areas. But it's pretty impossible to pull it off in any large capacity.

Besides, polling lined up with election results.


But state and local will be where the fight is won, ultimately. And luckily these are still, for the most part, in the hands of the people.
I agree with this absolutely. One person can make a huge change on the state and local level.
 
If Rand does lose, then I'll just go third party. If it's Jeb Bush or Mitt Romney, then there's no point in me voting for them. I equally dislike both those men, and I wouldn't vote for the Democrat probably. I'll keep an eye on the LP. My hope is that it's either Gary J, or someone else who might be better. We'll see...
 
Incorrect. Reagan was the anti-establishment candidate and he was able to fight the establishment and win.

And vote fraud is not widespread on a massive scale like some might think. It can happen in small amounts within a couple of percentage points in some isolated areas. But it's pretty impossible to pull it off in any large capacity.

Besides, polling lined up with election results.

Reagan was the last instance (35 years ago) of the establishment letting a relatively independent guy slip through, and notice they set him up for assassination (by a Bush neighbor, no less). Reagan was mainly compliant with the Bush/elite agenda after that, so it's fairer to say he is exhibit A confirmation of how the PTB rules the process.

After 1980 the SC "firewall" primary was established to lock in the anointed frontrunner, to prevent any more Reagans. And we have 7 years of detailed threads on this forum documenting that election fraud is a very widespread problem.
 
Everyone here is free to vote for whomever they want, or believe whatever they want, including (on a case by case basis) voting for the lesser of two evils. But given the main agenda of pro-liberty people, it is reasonable to declare some politicians like Romney are "beyond the pale," given that they completely oppose ALL of that agenda.

Romney is not the lesser of two evils, he is as toxic to liberty as the Democrat would be, even more so because he would have right cover in office, just as GW Bush did. Obarry is actually the "lesser of two evils" figure, if you want to take that approach to its ultimate conclusion, because rank and file Republicans are willing to scrutinize his policies to a depth they would NEVER go if a Republican had beaten him, and enacted the same measures.

Our movement has a higher standard than cynical "lesser" pragmatism, and it is simply far more consistent for us to either vote 3rd party or sit out the election. If our advocacy of that sounds like an ultimatum, it is because anything less, means the exact status quo we are always complaining about.

I see what you're saying. Personally, I'm more pragmatic than many here, and I would've voted for Romney had his foreign policy views not been so bad. I just felt like I couldn't vote for someone in good conscience who would get us involved in additional wars overseas. But I did feel that he was the lesser of two evils on domestic issues, that there were quite a few more domestic issues that I would agree with him on than Obama. He had proposals to significantly cut taxes which I agree with, he said he was for reducing regulations, was for ending funding for Planned Parenthood, etc. So I agreed with some of his positions on domestic issues and would've voted for him if the election had been based solely on that. For me, it's just the foreign policy issues that make me feel like I can't in good conscience vote for these Republican candidates. They're going around saying that Obama hasn't been "aggressive enough" on foreign policy. And they wouldn't have to adopt Ron Paul's foreign policy to get my vote, but merely moderate their foreign policy and not continue to take these positions that every war is a good war, that somehow constant U.S intervention makes the world "a safer place."
 
If Rand is not the nominee, I will abstain from taking part in the charade that is voting for a standard Republican or a standard Democrat, and will not waste my vote on a third party candidate who has as much of a chance as winning as the general election as I do.
 
I'm not sure who I'd choose. But, if it's Romney or Bush, I'd probably vote for a democrat just to spite the republican party for electing one of those fools.
 
If Rand Paul runs for the Republican nomination and loses it, will you vote for the Republican candidate, the Democrat, third party, or just stay home?

I'll vote Libertarian or Constitution in this situation.

Depends on who the candidate is though doesn't it?

I have 3 choices so far. 1. Vote 3rd party with stipulation above. 2. Stay home 3. Write in Ron Paul again.
 
Convention / caucus issues is not the same thing as election fraud.

Issues? More specific?

Because, it sure is like election fraud. When the game is rigged at this level, then Boobus Joe American watches the results and he doesn't know their was any shenanigans.

Are you saying the game isn't rigged? Then why did so many Liberty groups try to take control of local GOP leadership?
 
Because, it sure is like election fraud. When the game is rigged at this level, then Boobus Joe American watches the results and he doesn't know their was any shenanigans.

Are you saying the game isn't rigged? Then why did so many Liberty groups try to take control of local GOP leadership?
Election fraud does not equate the procedural shenanigans that may exist at a convention or caucus. The two are very different.
 
So barely anybody on this forum is bout voting for an LP candidate IF AND ONLY IF Rand doesn't get the nomination?

*this would be the best year to do it tbh*
 
So barely anybody on this forum is bout voting for an LP candidate IF AND ONLY IF Rand doesn't get the nomination?

*this would be the best year to do it tbh*

IF it's Bush v Clinton, THEN it will be the best opportunity in a century to go 3rd Party.
 
  • Vote Republican, Party Loyalty!
  • Vote Democrat, so Rand can be the nominee in 2020!
  • Vote Third Party!
  • Stay Home, voting won't accomplish anything!
  • I don't like Rand and wouldn't vote for him.


I voted " Stay Home, voting won't accomplish anything!" --- oh wait, that was a "vote"... <facepalm>
 
  • Vote Republican, Party Loyalty!
  • Vote Democrat, so Rand can be the nominee in 2020!
  • Vote Third Party!
  • Stay Home, voting won't accomplish anything!
  • I don't like Rand and wouldn't vote for him.


I voted " Stay Home, voting won't accomplish anything!" --- oh wait, that was a "vote"... <facepalm>

Yeah, the people vote that way in a poll crack me up!:p:)
 
If the nominee is anyone except Walker, Cruz, Haley, or Paul, I'm done with politics. If it isn't Rand, I don't expect much change in the future.
 
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