Gary Johnson "I will continue the Ron Paul Revolution" if RP doesn't get the GOP nomination

Been called a lotta things these past six years, but never Gary Johnson.

Lemme bring the question in from the general ANYONE to the specific you.

Are YOU suggesting Gary Johnson would be NO BETTER than any of the existent alternatives, IF Ron Paul does not get the GOP nod and if he declines to run Third Party?

With a few rare exceptions, most candidates are the "lesser of two evils." I used to think Gary may actually do some good instead of doing less harm. But the more I learn about him, the less I like. He's a fake libertarian.

So, to answer your question, no. He may do 'less harm' than the others... but that doesn't qualify someone for President.
 
Are YOU suggesting Gary Johnson would be NO BETTER than any of the existent alternatives, IF Ron Paul does not get the GOP nod and if he declines to run Third Party?


In other words, YES, he would be BETTER THAN existing alternatives (IF Ron Paul does not secure the GOP nod and he declines to run Third Party).


...but I AM suggesting that he doesn't meet my standards.

Very possibly no other politician in your lifetime WILL...brace yourself.



I AM suggesting he isn't any better than the others in the areas that matter to me - the monetary policy and Israel.

Not ANY better, really?
 
In other words, YES, he would be BETTER THAN existing alternatives (IF Ron Paul does not secure the GOP nod and he declines to run Third Party).




Very possibly no other politician in your lifetime WILL...brace yourself.





Not ANY better, really?

I don't see him as better enough to make up the difference that he won't win anyhow and I wouldn't get the satisfaction of voting for Ron. The things that matter to me, he is absent from as far as I can tell.
 
Stinks of forcing himself on people.

If you are worthy of the torch, people will naturally come to you.

I'm not sure how what he said is "forcing himself" on people. Giving people the opportunity to consider GJ as a liberty alternative to Obama / Romney isn't the same as "I am the anointed one." If GJ starts acting like Bob Barr did in 2008 I'll reconsider that position.
 
It's too late to get back on the bandwagon now, Gary. RP supporters might get behind a 3rd party candidate, but it won't be you.
 
The thing about it is that if Gary Johnson were in the race and somehow made it up on the debate stage, he would be the only candidate at the debates who would advocate withdrawing from Afghanistan immediately. That alone should make us happy that Gary will be in the race, even if many of us don't end up voting for him. I might consider voting for him if the unthinkable happens and he actually surges and has a chance to win the race. If he's just going to be stuck in the single digits and is just a "protest vote," then I might as well just write in Ron Paul's name on the ballot.
 
Giving people the opportunity to consider GJ as a liberty alternative to Obama / Romney

Like I said, if he is worthy, people will come to him.

He doesn't have to repeatedly remind everyone that he is available in the hopes that someone will take him home.
 
Ron Paul didn't self-appoint himself as the leader of the liberty movement. He was chosen by the free market of liberty-minded people.

GJ won't be chosen; no matter how much he thinks he can self-appoint.

He's not self-appointing. GJ and Paul are a part of the same movement, and have been since before 99% of the people on this board knew who either man was. Those of us who have been in the libertarian trenches since before it was cool are aware of this. To the circa 2007 and beyond crowd, however, there is this assumption that the movement is Paul's. If you ask me, Paul is the standard-bearer today because he was in the right place at the right time in 2007. More power to him for that, but I wouldn't put down Gary for saying that he's on the same team.
 
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He's a fake libertarian.

How do you figure? Libertarians caught on to him more than a decade ago, it wasn't like he came to libertarians begging for the label. He was given it by libertarians, during a time long before so many of us wore the moniker.
 
I thought I heard Johnson say in the debates he supported the wars and Israel? I get the feeling he is against getting rid of the 14 and 17 amendments, and that he is a Koch/Cato Libertarian rather than a Ron Paul / Rockwell libertarian. I am writing in RP. :)
 
From the Club for Growth's White Paper series...
http://www.clubforgrowth.org/whitepapers/?subsec=137&id=936

TAXES

The Club for Growth is committed to lower taxes – especially lower tax rates – across the board. Lower taxes on work, savings, and investments lead to greater levels of these activities, thus encouraging greater economic growth.

Overall, Governor Johnson has an excellent record on taxes and consistently pushed for tax cuts despite having to deal with the liberal New Mexico Legislature. Late in his second term, the Cato Institute found that Johnson was one of “four governors proposing or enacting the largest income tax rate cuts during their tenures.”

In his first term, Governor Johnson proposed reducing the top rate of the state personal income tax from 8.5% to 8%, along with other tax cuts, but was rebuffed by the Legislature. He signed a repeal of a 1993 6-cent-a-gallon tax hike. In 1997, Governor Johnson again proposed to cut the top rate, this time to 8.3%. The legislature proposed to cut it to 8.2%, but offset some of the revenue losses from this and other tax cuts with a cigarette tax increase. According to Cato, Johnson signed the income tax cut, and “vetoed the cigarette tax hike.”

Unlike some of the other Republican candidates for President this year and in past election cycles, Gary Johnson never raised the cigarette tax. While the tax on cigarettes has little relevance to economic growth, the fact that he held the line on such taxes demonstrates how strongly he opposes tax hikes. In 1999, he vetoed a 12-cent-a-pack cigarette tax hike —“not because he liked smoking, he says, but because he opposes all tax hikes.” New Mexico’s cigarette tax rate stayed the same from 1995 to 2003.

In 2001, Governor Johnson vetoed a bill to cut the top income tax rate from 8.2% to 7.7% because it also lowered the dollar amount that the top rate kicked in. His proposal would have cut the income tax by $72 million while the legislature wanted just a $32 million cut and a $30.5 million one-time rebate. Johnson later said he regretted vetoing the legislature’s version. Over the course of his two terms, Governor Johnson “cut the state income tax, the gasoline tax, the state capital gains tax, and the unemployment tax.”

As a candidate for President, Governor Johnson has indicated his support for a flat tax. He also supports eliminating the corporate income tax. He called the 2010 deal to temporarily extend the Bush tax cuts for two years “not a good one” because it didn’t make them permanent.


SPENDING

The Club for Growth is committed to reducing government spending. Less spending enhances economic growth by enabling lower taxes and diminishing the government’s economically inefficient allocation of resources.

Governor Johnson was one of the most anti-spending governors in New Mexico history.

Governor Johnson set a state record for vetoes as Governor, earning the title “Governor No” after 742 total vetoes of bills over two terms. In an interview with John Stossel on Fox News, Governor Johnson bragged that one of his veto messages was “I’m vetoing this piece of legislation because it’s just way too long and we don’t understand what it says.”

Governor Johsnon looked for private alternatives to the infrastructure spending that too often busts state budgets. For example, Highway 44 between Albuquerque and Farmington was “designed, financed, built, and guaranteed by a private company.”

In 2000, he refused to sign a budget and forced a special session with the legislature over funding priorities, a battle which ended with Johnson signing a $3.5 billion dollar budget but vetoing several small spending priorities such as $5 million on expanded Medicaid. He threatened to shut down state government when the legislature fought him and even threatened to let prisoners out of jail if the state couldn’t afford to house them.

On federal issues, Governor Johnson says he would have opposed TARP. “Government should not have been involved in this…Why should Goldman and AIG be saved but not Lehman?” He also wants to eliminate government subsidies for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. He says he would have voted against the stimulus.

He has said that he would cut the federal budget by 43%, “Start out with the big four - Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security and defense,” Johnson said in New Hampshire in early 2011.


ENTITLEMENT REFORM

America’s major middle-class entitlement programs are already insolvent. The Club for Growth supports entitlement reforms that enable personal ownership of retirement and health care programs, benefit from market returns, and diminish dependency on government.

Governor Johnson has an excellent record of holding down the exploding growth of entitlement programs that now cripple state budgets. As Governor, Johnson presided over the beginning of managed care for Medicaid recipients in New Mexico and pushed for speedy implementation. The managed care program (known as Salud!) replaces fee-for service and covers approximately two-thirds of available services under Medicaid. Salud! has generally been described as operating with “significant savings to both the State and Federal governments,” when compared to fee-for-service.

In 2000, Governor Johnson proposed to re-impose a gross income cap on welfare recipients. In 2002, Johnson proposed limiting eligibility for Medicaid from 235% of the federal poverty level down to 200% for families with children 5 and under and 100% for ages 6-18. He also let his state’s S-CHIP program expire after vetoing an attempt to make it permanent.

Governor Johnson’s website lists some major entitlement reform proposals, including:
Block grant Medicare and Medicaid funds to the states, allowing them to innovate, find efficiencies and provide better service at lower cost.
Repeal ObamaCare, as well as the failed Medicare prescription drug benefit.
Fix Social Security by changing the escalator from being based on wage growth to inflation.
Governor Johnson has also said that he would be open to personal accounts for Social Security, as well as means testing the program.


REGULATION

Excessive government regulation stymies individual and business innovation necessary for strong economic expansion. The Club for Growth supports less and more sensible government regulation as a critical step toward increasing freedom and growth in the marketplace.

In 1999, Johnson vetoed a bill which would have raised the minimum wage from $4.25 per hour to $5.65. He also signed a law deregulating New Mexico’s electricity market that allowed residential, small-business customers and schools to start shopping for their electricity supplier. He’s argued that when a Democrat negotiates with labor unions through collective bargaining it’s a “giveaway” instead of a negotiation. He says he doesn’t believe in cap-and-trade legislation, saying that “I do not believe that taxing carbon emissions is the way to go forward.” Governor Johnson also opposes so-called “Net Neutrality” regulations that would lead to a larger government role in the use of Internet bandwidth.


FREE TRADE

Free trade is a vital policy necessary for maximizing economic growth. In recent decades, America’s commitment to expanding trade has resulted in lower costs for consumers, job growth, and higher levels of productivity and innovation.

On trade, Johnson “generally supports NAFTA and other free-trade agreements,” In a June 9 segment on John Stossel’s program on Fox Business, Johnson “debated” Obama impersonator Reggie Brown and said he wanted “no tariffs, no restrictions” on trade. He did sound a little squishy on trade in a March 2011 interview when he said that “So much of the legislation that we pass isn’t really free market at all. It’s touted as free market, when the reality ends up to be very corporate. The reality ends up to be corporatism…I was always looking at business legislation from the standpoint of having it affect everyone equally as opposed to big business being further advantaged…so many of these treaties, NAFTA being one…the criticism of NAFTA should be rooted in the fact that big business became even bigger business.”


SCHOOL CHOICE

The Club for Growth supports broad school choice, including charter schools and voucher programs that create a competitive education market including public, private, religious, and non-religious schools. More competition in education will lead to higher quality and lower costs.

Governor Johnson has a consistent record of support for school choice and vouchers. Governor Johnson proposed giving every student in the entire state of New Mexico vouchers worth $3,500. He once compared the program to child-care vouchers, saying “For those mothers who are on welfare, we give them what in essence is a voucher which allows them to choose where to send their children to child care, and in many cases that child care is religious. That's a state-funded program. We don't call it a voucher but it might just as well be called a voucher.”

He supports eliminating the Department of Education and wants universal school choice.


TORT REFORM

The American economy suffers from excessive litigation which increases the cost of doing business and slows economic growth. The Club for Growth supports major reforms to our tort system to restore a more just and less costly balance in tort litigation.

Governor Johnson formed a task force aimed at limiting punitive damage awards in 1996. He also supported the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act that toughened liability standards for securities litigation.


POLITICAL FREE SPEECH

Maximizing prosperity requires sound government policies. When government strays from these policies, citizens must be free to exercise their constitutional rights to petition and criticize those policies and the politicians responsible for them.

In a January 2001 interview with Playboy Magazine, Governor Johnson stated that he opposed campaign contribution limits. “The problem isn't large contributions. The problem is that we don't know who contributed. In New Mexico, there's no limit on what I can receive from anyone, but I have to disclose it all--with the exception of soft money,” said Johnson. “If you limit contributions from an individual to, say, $1000, then I think just the opposite occurs. Then you have politicians beholden to way too many people.” In 2010, Johnson said he favored unlimited contributions by corporations as well.


POLITICAL ACTIVITY & ENDORSEMENTS

Robust political activity is essential to producing a federal government that is more respectful of free markets and produces more pro-economic growth policies. The Club for Growth’s PAC has been active in some of the more central battles within the Republican Party nominating process in recent years, supporting pro-growth candidates over pro-government ones.

Govenror Johnson has a very limited endorsement history. He endorsed Ron Paul for President on January 21st, 2008. He endorsed Steve Forbes for President in 2000.


SUMMATION

As John Stossel noted in a recent column, Gary Johnson “was missing from last week's Republican presidential debate, and that's too bad. He's an announced candidate who was a two-term governor of New Mexico, and he makes a case for strongly limited government.” Until or unless Johnson rises in the polls, people may not hear Johnson’s views in future Republican primary debates either.

With few exceptions, Governor Johnson’s tenure as New Mexico’s Governor and his public record since that time has revealed a generally pro-growth attitude. We are slightly concerned that, like fellow libertarian Congressman Ron Paul, that he may harbor anti-free trade sentiments. Governor Johnson deserves special praise for his consistent use of his veto-pen as Governor. We believe that Governor Johnson would most likely be a pro-growth President if elected.
 
How do you figure? Libertarians caught on to him more than a decade ago, it wasn't like he came to libertarians begging for the label. He was given it by libertarians, during a time long before so many of us wore the moniker.

http://www.issues2000.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

Most of his quotes here are either from 2011/2012, or from 2000/2001. His 2011/2012 stances are mostly great. It's his 2000 & 2001 stances that concern me. It's politically expedient for a libertarian to adopt RP's positions today, which is what I believe he is doing.
 
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