I want the truth.

[Shavenyak]

This about sums up where I am right now too. QFT

He's addressed these many times over the years. It's on his wikipedia site. Because you didn't know about it doesn't make it his fault. The new york times debunked it in the middle of last year.

 

[Quick]

He's addressed these many times over the years. It's on his wikipedia site. Because you didn't know about it doesn't make it his fault. The new york times debunked it in the middle of last year.

You know, you make a good point. I haven't even considered that. Many of us knew about these newsletters months ago (if not years ago). But for many newer supporters or supporters who might not be as obsessed as others, it could have been easily missed.

This could be the first time that many of Paul's supporters are learning about this and are simply letting their feelings cloud their judgment and not actually looking it this logically.

I can tell you that I was quite shocked when I first found out, but after my emotions died down and I did a little research, I found that the claims are completely false and moved on.

 

[sasha_2008]

Good post, Landslide.

I actually defended him on the initial racism charges (on other forums) when it involved just the two quotes but the latest stuff that came out is indefensible. There is just too much of it spread over a considerable time span for him to have missed reading every single offending article.

troll

 

[Paulitico]

I dno't think you can really call him a troll just because he's having doubts. All that does is push people away from the campaign.

If someone is having honest doubts we need to set those doubts to rest and you cannot do that by sounding elitist and telling them "it's been on the wikipedia page forever it's not our fault you can't read". It would suffice to say "This is misinformation and it has been debunked here, here and here."

The elitism is only driving folks away and you have to admit, we need all the people we can get if we want to change this country!

 

[Shavenyak]

I can tell you that I was quite shocked when I first found out, but after my emotions died down and I did a little research, I found that the claims are completely false and moved on.

I felt the EXACT same way last month when I discovered Paul and had to defend him on a car forum I frequent. After a LOT of research, I trust Ron to tell me the truth.

The only reason I'm spamming this part of the forum today is so that the few trolls here trying to spread discontent aren't all that every truly concerned Paul supporter sees when the come to see what it's all about. I wish we could get a sticky of facts at the top so we don't have to keep bumping and spamming.

 

[Shavenyak]

I dno't think you can really call him a troll just because he's having doubts. All that does is push people away from the campaign.

If someone is having honest doubts we need to set those doubts to rest and you cannot do that by sounding elitist and telling them "it's been on the wikipedia page forever it's not our fault you can't read". It would suffice to say "This is misinformation and it has been debunked here, here and here."

The elitism is only driving folks away and you have to admit, we need all the people we can get if we want to change this country!

No, yuiop is a troll. Read all their other posts.

 

[sasha_2008]

I dno't think you can really call him a troll just because he's having doubts. All that does is push people away from the campaign.

If someone is having honest doubts we need to set those doubts to rest and you cannot do that by sounding elitist and telling them "it's been on the wikipedia page forever it's not our fault you can't read". It would suffice to say "This is misinformation and it has been debunked here, here and here."

The elitism is only driving folks away and you have to admit, we need all the people we can get if we want to change this country!

You might want to actually read the person's posts. Sound money = white supremacists, etc.

 

[Quick]

Paulitico -- I would agree with you, the word troll is overused here. But in this case it is quite justified.

yuiop has been all over these forums continuously posting lies saying that it is a fact that Paul knew about the letters or that he was involved. He claimed that Ron Paul speaks to racists and/or white nationalists because he talks about "sound money" and only racist and white nationalists want "sound money".

Just do a search on all his posts, and it will reveal that much.

 

[Paulitico]

Let me apologize then for being hasty, but it does seem to me that a lot of people around here are hasty to belittle someone else. I guess I jsut assumed this would be the same.

I cant believe that Dr. Paul would have had anything to do with such statements and I realy thing you should reevaluate your views yuiop. I wont go so far as to say the "t" word but I think maybe youre misguided about Ron Paul.

I will admit though that I heard from tohers before that Dr. Paul is getting some support from that Stormfront place and it saddens me that he can draw a crowd so contrary to his basic principles.

 

[Duckman]

Yes, there's no denying that many White Nationalists or White Supremacists as others call them are interested in the economic principles that Ron Paul espouses. Go to Stormfront or any similar site and check this out, you will find they are overwhelmingly so. In fact the screed contained in the offending Ron Paul articles sounds like it came straight out of Stormfront: blacks are called 'animals', NYC is called "Zooville", "Rapetown", gays are derided for having "limp wrists".

This is exactly the sort of crap I was afraid of, people confusing freedom with racism.

How, exactly, is sound money racist? I don't get it.

 

[sasha_2008]

Yes, there's no denying that many White Nationalists or White Supremacists as others call them are interested in the economic principles that Ron Paul espouses. Go to Stormfront or any similar site and check this out, you will find they are overwhelmingly so. In fact the screed contained in the offending Ron Paul articles sounds like it came straight out of Stormfront: blacks are called 'animals', NYC is called "Zooville", "Rapetown", gays are derided for having "limp wrists".

You want to know something, "I am a race traitor" that's right I am part of an interracial family and we support Ron Paul. So piss off.

 

[Quick]

Yes, there's no denying that many White Nationalists or White Supremacists as others call them are interested in the economic principles that Ron Paul espouses. Go to Stormfront or any similar site and check this out, you will find they are overwhelmingly so. In fact the screed contained in the offending Ron Paul articles sounds like it came straight out of Stormfront: blacks are called 'animals', NYC is called "Zooville", "Rapetown", gays are derided for having "limp wrists".

I know many normal every day people who want sound money as well. What's your point? Most of Paul's supporters are interested in his economic principles. Have you ever watched him at a rally where he talks about his economic principles and the whole crowd cheers?

Oh, whoops, using your twisted logic, all this college kids on the campus must be white nationalists.

I can't say anything against your claim that the language used in the newsletters use sounds exactly like what people use at Stormfront. You must frequent that site to know what type of language they use and to be able to link it to a document from almost 20 years ago.

 

[Quick]

This is exactly the sort of crap I was afraid of, people confusing freedom with racism.

How, exactly, is sound money racist? I don't get it.

You said it. One of the biggest obstacles with defending freedom and liberty is that you defend it for everyone -- not just those who share your own views and ideals.

 

[Sir VotesALot]

Question: Who gives a shit?

'Racism' was a term invented by Leon Trotsky, a communist mass murderer, to vilify his opponents and stop people from talking about certain issues.

Let's focus on South Carolina instead.

 

[Paulitico]

I agree that the focus should be on whats ahead and not whats behind but I can also see why it is a stumbling block so to speak for so many people - at first glance it looks like Ron Paul endorses racism. You can make the claim that its just a word or an abstract idea but so is the word "hate" and it isnot something tha tpeople should take lightly at all.

Fortunately Dr. Paul's name can be cleared with the smallest amount of reserach and so we dont need to worry so much - Ive seen him called "the thinking man's candidate" and I think that that's true - those of us who support Ron Paul will reason it out and research the facts until we know the truth about him.

Its our job to get the word out to as many people as we can that Dr. Paul's hands are clean in all this though - we have to stay positive if we want South Carolina, and after that it's all just gravy

 

[Goldwater Conservative]

Berry Goldwater Jr doesn`t feel this way.

What do you mean?

It *may* only kill the chance if we continue to keep it in the spotlight. As has been said, this has come and gone throughout his post-hiatus congressional runs and is completely false and unfounded.

I'm worried about the media. If they turned a single $500 donation from a racist on a day when he made millions, or believing a peaceful end to slavery would have been better than violence, into what they did, imagine what they'd do with this. Perception is reality, and the media determines what people perceive. Their first bias (before corporate interests or politics) is sensationalism, so they WILL jump all over this if he starts doing any better.

And the thought that he's somehow "too trusting" makes no sense. Forgetting that he was practicing medicine at the time and not in politics (read: thought his political career time was finished... not yet planning to go back into politics at the time), why should we even expect him to monitor such things so closely??

I've associated with bad people in my life. I've associated with good people who have become bad people in my life. Everyone has had such associations, but I'm not wasting my time keeping up with them after the fact, and neither should everyone else... or Dr. Paul.

And I'm no push-over "too trusting" guy... I'm an officer in the military.

I just think giving other people so much control over something bearing your name, photograph, and signature and mentioning your family is far too trusting if you don't plan on following it. It's not about being a pushover, it's about giving people the benefit of the doubt more than you realistically should.

 

[Shavenyak]

I'm worried about the media. If they turned a single $500 donation from a racist on a day when he made millions, or believing a peaceful end to slavery would have been better than violence, into what they did, imagine what they'd do with this. Perception is reality, and the media determines what people perceive. Their first bias (before corporate interests or politics) is sensationalism, so they WILL jump all over this if he starts doing any better.

There were records of that his office turned into the FEC. Plus, he never denied it. They could run with that.

They can't run with a "newsletter" typed on an IBM typewriter then photocopied that Paul DENIES overseeing while he WASN'T IN CONGRESS and has been accepted by multiple news sources over the years. Especially when you can find people who were there defending Paul in a 10 second google search.

I just think giving other people so much control over something bearing your name, photograph, and signature and mentioning your family is far too trusting if you don't plan on following it. It's not about being a pushover, it's about giving people the benefit of the doubt more than you realistically should.

Yes, he made a mistake. He's admitted it for 10 years. Decide if it's forgivable or not and move on.

 

[Billy Budd]

Some theory's...

One, the shock value of this story wasn't all that much to begin with. With each regurgitation it's shock value will be less and less.

Two, (I mentioned this before but I think it's worth mentioning again), people see what they want in candidates and will forgive most anything. Consider the Clinton's legacy of scandal after scandal (after scandal). Hillary to this day has number 1 honors at the Judicial List of corrupt politicians.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/judici...on-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007

Rudy Giuliani & Mike Huckabee are 5th and 6th respectively. Obama gets an honorable mention. McCain has skeltons in his closet (Keating 5 to name one).

Think Clinton's. Whitewater, Chinagate, Lost law firm billing records, $100,000 windfall from cattle futures after a $1,000 investment, Vince Foster, White House Travel Office firings, Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica, Kathleen Willey, Jaunita Broaddrick, The Lincoln bedroom, coffeegate, pardongate, etc etc etc. I've barely scratched the surface.

Talk about guilt by association. How many criminal and unsavory charactors have the Clinton's been invloved with over the years? America loves these two people!! They love them!!!

Three, doing an "I'm So Sorry" tour has never helped anybody be forgiven for breaking the PC laws, it just blows more air into it and makes the accused look like a groveling idiot.

Four, Paul throwing the authors of the newsletters under the bus by naming them would be against the very things he stands for. He's for everyones free speech even if he finds it repulsive and he has as much said he finds the content of those letter as such and he admits blew the mission by letting them slip by with his name on them.

Five (and finally), there is a segment of population out there who doesn't "get it" and will never "get it" because they would rather believe the lies that makes them feel good instead of a truths that don't. These are the type of people who voted for Clinton and McCain.

 

[Jeremiah]

Yes!

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[Jeremiah]

Yes!

Well I for one studied up on Rp before throwing my hat in his corner. Learned about his newsletters on day one (you people dont read wiki?) studied it deeper and came to peace with the situation. Folks, what are your other choices? Card carrying CFR members? Ron Paul is no racist period.
We are fighting for our nations survival, and we have this one last shot. Ron's run is far from over and to those who concede defeat, that your choice... move on with your lives.
I just cant fathom how anyone could spend five minutes researching RP and not have come across these newsletters earlier.
At this point I feel that many on the board are just here to support their agenda (wonkette anyone?) and to try to kill the movement that they have already wounded.

I agree!