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trout007

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I have been reading the speeches and articles of Ron Paul for about 8 years now. I have never heard of this racist stuff until now. One of the reasons I am a libertarian is because of the importance the individual holds and how that is contrary to judging peopl by groups, race, religion, ect.

I have also given close to $1000 to the campagin. I would like the campaign to make available all of these newsletters from the beginning. I'd like to see the ones while he was in Congress, after he left to practice medicine, and after he came back to Congress. I'd like to make up my own mind and not have to take somebones word on this.
 
HA! After digging around today reading these threads and reading the solicitation letter in the TNR story, I think I have figured it all out. Don't worry, Ron Paul isn't really a racist, but I can see why he would play one on T.V. instead of divulging the "Truth". (Oh shit, now I'm speaking in code just like the TNR writer accused Ron Paul of doing)

It is all very funny in my opinion, and now I like Ron Paul even more.
 
HA! After digging around today reading these threads and reading the solicitation letter in the TNR story, I think I have figured it all out. Don't worry, Ron Paul isn't really a racist, but I can see why he would play one on T.V. instead of divulging the "Truth". (Oh shit, now I'm speaking in code just like the TNR writer accused Ron Paul of doing)

It is all very funny in my opinion, and now I like Ron Paul even more.

Care to explain this?

Like the OP, I've given money, time and effort to this campaign. I just want to know who wrote those things and why. I don't for a second believe it was Dr. Paul, but he is letting that person crush the hopes of many, many people. I've been really sad about this all day. :(

Whoever did the writing MUST come forward NOW and admit it!
 
Well I for one studied up on Rp before throwing my hat in his corner. Learned about his newsletters on day one (you people dont read wiki?) studied it deeper and came to peace with the situation. Folks, what are your other choices? Card carrying CFR members? Ron Paul is no racist period.
We are fighting for our nations survival, and we have this one last shot. Ron's run is far from over and to those who concede defeat, that your choice... move on with your lives.
I just cant fathom how anyone could spend five minutes researching RP and not have come across these newsletters earlier.
At this point I feel that many on the board are just here to support their agenda (wonkette anyone?) and to try to kill the movement that they have already wounded.
 
Folks, ... I put a ton of emotional energy into this campaign, and a good chunk of change too. For the first time in my life, I had found a candidate that rang true with my sentiments...

I joined the money bombs, hopped into the forums, and did my damndest to convince everyone I knew that he wasn't a nutbar. I even caught the fever and put up a YouTube vid.

Then I read this garbage yesterday. I found myself completely bewildered.

Even if he didnt author this stuff... he associated with people who did. He allowed repulsive commentary to be a part of a newsletter with his name on it. He allowed people who had these kinds of thoughts to be "ghost writers" for him, and use his name.

In the end, that is all that matters, and that is enough to keep him out of the white house. As much as people want to call this a plot against him, the truth is that like it or not, this actually happened, and he is responsible.

And even if none of it ever happened at all.. and these writings were complete forgeries (which they are not), he has been sufficiently swift boated to end his presidential run. It took a lot less than this to sink John Kerry.

I honestly haven't seen an explanation that I am satisified with.

I'm still hoping I can pull that lever with his name next to it come the primaries.... and I want to feel as good about it as I did the day before yesterday....
 
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The truth it is bull. and not to give Ron Paul the same media access to actually respond to it should be all the proof you need. read his response on his official campaign ronpaul2008.com.

I can tell you as the cousin of a former deputy attorney general, this is unjust to accuse a man of something and not even let him respond. His family I am sure is very hurt that this was done to him on the very day the polls were opened in a hotly contested State.

I encourage you to read his Press Statement and email those who put the report out and then retracted it, they should answer to you.
 
Read here:

1. Eric Dondero (former Ron Paul aide who was fired by Ron AND IS RUNNING AGAINST HIM FOR CONGRESS IN 2008), who dislikes Ron Paul and is pro-war, even admits Ron Paul did not write any of the letters.

Quote:
Eric Dondero | January 8, 2008, 8:42pm | #

The ghost writer was 80% Lew Rockwell.

There were a few others like Gary North from time to time. And even some super RP insiders like Nadia Hayes, Jean McCiver and Marc Elam contributed, and also did some heavy editing out of the Nasa Blvd. 1 office in South Houston and Elam's office on Fuqua.

But I'd say 80% Rockwell.

When I say Rockwell, that also included his interns and helpers like Jeff Tucker, Mark Thornton, and such.

But I remember the faxes of the Newsletter drafts always came from Lew.
Also:

Quote:
American Libertarian
Published by Matt Monroe
Editor Michael Holmes

November 1988

Paul campaign ends on Down note
(Page 6)

"The first clue that something was afoot was missed by everyone. Paul campaign chair Burt Blumert and Paul campaign ghostwriter and direct mail fundraiser Lew Rockwell, Jr. arrived along with Ron Paul in Houston for a pre-election Saturday rally unannounced and unexpected by the Houston Paul campaign office..."


and: http://wirkman.net/wordpress/?p=201


The New Republic once again brought up Ron Paul’s strange career as figurehead for a series of newsletters, complete with racially insensitive statements and provocative rhetoric.

As a writer and editor working in the libertarian movement at the time of these “Ron Paul” newsletters, I have vague recollection of “common knowledge”: it was known who wrote these newsletters, and why. It was money for Ron. It was money for the writers. And it was a way of keeping Ron’s name in the minds of right wingers with money . . . future donors.
It was designed to be entertaining writing. Provocative. It flirted with racism, like Mencken’s did, and Mencken was indeed the model of the style. But these “Ron Paul” writings went further than Mencken’s usually did (at least for publication) along the lines of annoying the racially sensitive; and they sometimes did veer into outright racism.

I was embarrassed by the implied racial hatred, rather disgusted by the general level of hate regardlesss of race. I was also a bit shocked by the writing because the style was so obviously not Ron’s, and so obviously the product of the actual writers, with whom I had tangential relations — is my editor’s* writer my writer?

And yet some bits of this writing, held up for inspection by TNR — for example, the bit about Salman Rushdie — seem interesting and worth discussing, not worth quickly relegating to the trash file. The author of the Rushdie/Zundel “comparison” was primarilly attacking the hypocrisy of the mainstream “liberals” regarding free speech. To characterize this as a simple comparison (and thus to suggest a “moral equation”) is to miss a very big point. I figure that if I read more of this stuff, I’d find more missed points. The provocation is obvious. But there’s intellectual content behind the provocation, and the content is worth considering without the bad connotations elicited by the rhetoric.

Most of us “old-time” libertarians have known about this sad period of Ron Paul’s career from the get-go. We know that it was a lapse on his part. But we who opposed it (and not all of us did) put much of the blame on the writers involved, not on Paul, who was, after all, juggling family, medicine, politics, and continued study of actual economics. That Paul didn’t realize what he was doing to his own moral stance is amazing. His style is one of earnest moralizing. That fits his character. The ugliness of this career move speaks a sad story.

It also indicates the most thing about Ron Paul as presidential timber: he let himself be so easily used and influenced.

But then, so has nearly every president in American history, our current president most of all.

Oh, so who wrote Ron Paul’s newsletter? I have only hearsay and memory to go on. But really, most of us in the libertarian “industry” just “knew” who. I have four names in mind, I think all contributed at one point or another. But maybe it was only a subset of those names, maybe it was just one or two. One of the names is pretty damn obvious. And one of the names is not obvious at all; the style was abandoned for better things, later on.
Like Rodney King, one might prefer we all just get along, move along, and forget about this sorry story. But it is worth exploring. Racism is still a live issue in America. And, apparently, in libertarianism.
 
So who were these people, and why was Ron Paul even associating with them, let alone giving them a newsletter to write under his own name?

THIS is what I need to understand...
 
I'm still hoping I can pull that lever with his name next to it come the primaries.... and I want to feel as good about it as I did the day before yesterday....

Luhiss -- I encourage you to look more into the issue before getting down on yourself. I felt betrayed and hurt initially when I read all this. That night I went to sleep with a knot in my stomach.

I woke up the next morning, took another look at it and realized how far from the truth any of this stuff is. Check out some of the other posts in this "Bad Media" thread and you'll easily see how none of this, looking at it logically, can be true.

Just remember this.. if this story had any merit, it would have been picked up by the major news outlets, but it hasn't. Because they just are too busy? No, because no one can provide solid evidence that Ron Paul actually wrote/knew about any/all of it.

Houston Chronicle did a huge expose on this in 1996. The conclusion was Ron Paul did not write the newsletters, and was very peripherally involved if at all post 1988 (please note that all the racist comments were made in '90/'91). Democrats ran with the story, but quieted down once evidence came up that Ron Paul was actually very peripheral.

Stupid on Paul's part for letting people use his name and newsletter without checking. No doubt about that. And he apologized for that.

Here is some more information: http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41721
 
I'm not giving up. There is no one else I could possibly vote for.

I believe Dr. Paul's statement that he did not write these things. I also believe it is being blown out of proportion - considering all the horrible things the other candidates have in their own pasts, this is nothing.

It only makes me sad because it will make it much more difficult to gain new supporters and it was timed to hurt us badly on what should have been a really great day for us.

I think Dr. Paul probably promised not to reveal the real writer's name back when this all first surfaced and of course, he is keeping his word. But the real writer need to come forward now if he or she has an ounce of compassion, an ounce of patriotism, and own up to it so that it can't hurt Dr. Paul any more than it already has.
 
I've looked at all of the "newsletters" and I have yet to see anything that I find offensive.. Shocking yes but nothing that I would put along the lines of some kind of racist viewpoint..

I did some research on the allegations against MLK in the newsletters and from what I can tell they seem to be factual at least in the respect that there are many people reporting the same or similar information that was obtained by the FBI..

Maybe people do not want to hear it, who knows so many people today are PC braniwashed zombies it's like the Lincoln stuff no one wants to hear how he wasn't a saint..

As far as the rest of it you have to look at the time period it was written in, alot has changed in this country since the 70s and 80s.. I belive that the ghostwriter or Dr. Paul, whoever it was, shared the silent majority view of the time..

To me NONE of these writings are damning... It is all pretty soft and definately not extremist..

For those of you who would give up or change your vote are either to weak minded to see what is at stake if we do not win, or never really understood the message. I suppose you would have been part of the weak colonists that fled to St. John, Newbrunswick because the Revolution was to radical for you..
 
All I will say is find the link with the actual news letters posted. Look at the production value of the news letters. Find the solicitation letter talking about the trilateral thingy ma-jig. In that letter you will find ninety nine good reasons why these news letters could be published for a decade or more without anyone on staff complaining.

Give you a hint:
"Hey Ron, I bet I can turn a ream of printing paper into $1000."
 
I have not read the most recent article in TNR, but quotes from old newsletters were widely cited on hostile blogs several months ago. The quotes I read at the time were politically incorrect but not racist. They reminded me of some of the things Bill Cosby has been quoted as saying.

I am surprised that this is news to anyone. This is old news dredged up with a fresh coat of paint slapped on, to mix multiple metaphors.

First, they are not that bad. Second, Ron Paul did not write them, nor does he, nor did he ever, agree with them. That is the truth.
 
If Rockwell wrote this stuff, why is he so closely associated with the campaign? There was some other posts in this forum stating that Rockwell and/or some of his family members are on the campaign payroll, but I don't know if this is true or not. I do know he is closely associated with Paul and the current campaign.
 
If Rockwell wrote this stuff, why is he so closely associated with the campaign? There was some other posts in this forum stating that Rockwell and/or some of his family members are on the campaign payroll, but I don't know if this is true or not. I do know he is closely associated with Paul and the current campaign.

Honestly, I think it has become sort of a blame game. Gary North is already called a racist by people who know him (and don't like him). Unless this news picks up pace (which I dont think it will) -- I don't think we'll ever know.

According to Eric Dondero (former Ron Paul aide who was fired by Ron and who is running against him in 2008 for Congress) the expose in 1996 in the Houston Chronicle was much more revealing and that TNR barely touched the surface. Though, that same paper after more investigation found out Paul had nothing to do with the letters and the article (and the attacks the Democrats were putting up against Paul) was dismissed since Paul had nothing to do with the newsletter beyond 1988 (note that the racist content was written in '90/'91).
 
NYTE: I was hoping to get that response.

I know he isn't racist. It is incompatable with the libertarian philosophy. You know who is racist? The republicans who make mandatory minimum sentance laws to lock up poor people who can't get a good lawyer for smoking a joint. Also the Democrats who love to keep poor people on the dole so they can control their lives.

What I meant by this is I would like the campaign to release all of the newsletters. I have many since I dontated to his campaign 4-5 years ago. I have never seen anything that looked racist in any way shape or form. That is why I would like to see ALL of the newletters. First it would be nice to see how consistant his views are. Also it would be easy to detect if there was a change in authorship within a few years as opposed to 20 years ago.
 
i think a very good gcase has been made that Dr Ron Paul did not and would not ever write or believe anything remotely racsist but smarter people than me have already pointed out that even if he did why does it nmatter? sure it means he has some quircks and some parts of him that are not 100% wholesome but so does everybody in the world. Nobody claimed that Dr. Paul was an angel, just that he was the best possible man for the job of turning this country around and a few bad comments will never change that!

I have to believe that if I can see this then the rest of the American people can see it to! We all put so much faith and so much money into Dr. Ron Paul I stll believe that he can turn this thing around! So you want the truth? Well I'll tell you the truth! unless Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson crawl out of their graves, Ron Paul will be the only man to put this nation back on the right track! (and even if they did they would see Dr Paul and smile at each otrher and say "Looks like somebody got our message! lol
 
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