I tried to warn you guys.

[fj45lvr]

FOCUS ON THE PEOPLE'S POCKETBOOK AND YOU GET THEIR ATTENTION.

Yes.

this is the message that resonates with Conservatives.

 

[politicsNproverbs]

It was I who said he's now "mainstream", though I meant it in a non-mainstream media way. Or maybe I said "top-tier" and not "mainstream".

Hey, I hear you man, we all wish we could turn on the TV and hear MSM gushing about him (well, I don't have a TV, but I'm imagining this). What I'd rather see in the long run is the end of MSM entirely (which is why I've proactively given up my TV).

It is the very act of us looking to them for "approval", "who's the front runner", "who's best for America", - however you want to put it, that has put us in this pickle. The Global forces of banking, finance, war profiteering, Big Pharma, etc. learned this long ago which is what led them to buy up all forms of media in the first place. And this extends beyond radio, TV and newspapers. They own most book publishers, magazine publishers and the Tax-Exempt Foundations that produce all the text books we've studied from, K through PhD. No joke. They are thorough when it comes to controlling what information enters our five senses.

Envision a world without MSM and turn them off, as I have, and they will disappear. I promise you that.

Wouldn't that be grand, to see the end of MSM entirely, and go back to the Mom & Pop Local controls of media and newspapers, etc.

As for "them" now owning everything, I know what you mean, brutally true... I saw an elderly couple on TV maybe 2-3 years ago who had been in the school-book critique business their entire lives and they were horrified at how the schoolbooks have been so ruthlessly changed.

I also hear "they" now own all the Bible publishing companies so they can have their own "One World Religion" Bible when the time comes... (to go along with the One World Government agenda).

 

[joenaab]

Wouldn't that be grand, to see the end of MSM entirely, and go back to the Mom & Pop Local controls of media and newspapers, etc.

As for "them" now owning everything, I know what you mean, brutally true... I saw an elderly couple on TV maybe 2-3 years ago who had been in the school-book critique business their entire lives and they were horrified at how the schoolbooks have been so ruthlessly changed.

I also hear "they" now own all the Bible publishing companies so they can have their own "One World Religion" Bible when the time comes... (to go along with the One World Government agenda).

Its already happening, my friend. Give it some time. MSM is dead. When a lumberjack hacks at the base of a tree it's fall becomes inevitable even if, from a distance, it appears to be standing and healthy.

We can all be the "lumberjacks" (how corny does that sound!). We have transitioned into an era of conscious activism. We change the world by our consumption choices. For example, I have no TV service and watch no sponsored programming, unless the sponsor's goods and services meet my approval. What little energy my home uses comes 100% from hydroelectic power and will one day soon come from the sun. What little energy my car uses to get around comes from alcohol made from sugar. I've driven 20 miles in the last two weeks. I eat only organic, uncooked, living plant food. I am healthier than I've been in my life as a result. Further, since all herbicides, pesticides, hormones, pharmaceuticals, and artificial fertilizers are manufactured from oil, I consume none of them ever. I consume very little in the way of consumer products, and nothing made in China and sold at Walmart. My clothes are made by small, private clothes makers here on the island who have even become my good friends.

By choosing to live in Brazil I am assured that none of my tax dollars go to killing innocent civilians in the Middle East and Africa. I know not everyone can do this, but everyone can do something similar. We "vote" with every single consumption choice we make, including where we get our news (to bring it back to topic). These are the votes that count.

Okay, I'll climb off my soapbox.

 

[Andrew-Austin]

They were appealing to the wrong people... The republicans in Iowa are old and ignorant, that means their more willing to vote for someone who would **** with the economy and prolong the war. HQ should be targeting democrats, democrats are stubborn but are still more reachable then republicans.

 

[JS4Pat]

Of course the truth is, the real problem lies in the campaign. Why are the same names recycled as the campaign grows? Why are there no major players added to the campaign when the RP campaign is obviously sellable.

Face it. The campaign did nothing. They raised all this money and now they're sitting on it. The grassroots did with 1 million more then the campaign has done with 10.

I don't even know what campaign they're running. They're so unconfident I honestly think RP has said he didn't think he could win more then the media. But, I listen to RP more then the media.

One thing's for sure. It's not your fault. It's not the grassroots fault. It's the campaigns fault. They're unorganized, unexperienced...

What experience does the high-level Ron Paul staff having in running a republican presidential primary run?

And yeah, the RP campaign not doing their part I take personally, personally.

So that's all I got to say, and I have to say it, otherwise I won't stop thinking it. Thanks.

You nailed it!

I agree 100%!

 

[ecliptic]

3 things I'd like to see

Three things I'd like to see happen here:

1. End the MSM
2. Join the Republican party by focusing on people's MONEY
3. figure out how to get 18-29 years olds to show up at the polls

We should keep our criticism of the Official Campaign { hereinafter referred to as "the OC" } as constructive as possible while allowing them the possibility that they have a good plan and we are not supposed to know about it because so will the other candidate's headquarters ...

So for the first item let's continue to support the growing Boycott of Ye Olde Media. The Fox forum has become a center for that effort and after that I support a permanent sub-forum for targeted media boycotts / rewards towards good coverage. The 'ol "carrot and stick" approach...

For the second item - study up on your economic message and put on a tie ... be the Republican ( very hard for me as I am personally so not about the pursuit of money in the first place - which is how I see most Republicans in the party today - and I'm still tainted by years of Democratic big-gov indoctrination yuck ... )

Our secret on this third item is... the fusion of intelligence and creative thought that is evident in these forums ( if you can filter out some static interference ). Let's figure out new and completely unexpected ways to accomplish number three.

My first idea is that this demographic is concerned about money and the war. In other words BOTH messages TOGETHER. The perpetual war for perpetual peace concept is irritating enough to this generation as they are the ones actually DYING for the LIES. THEN they face the trillions in debt when they have to PAY LATER for the costs of the perpetual wars. Pretty powerful ammo for our campaign, don't you think?

 

[Charles Wilson]

He lost three of his first four races for Congress. How old do you think he'll be before he gets sworn in by your logic?

I assume like most of us, he learned from his mistakes. Hard knocks is similar to tough love, it can be a good teacher

 

[dawnbt]

I'm gonna take this time to tell you, the 'grassroots', something you probably don't wanna hear. ' I told you so '

I'm sorry, but with not even 10%, it's a F for the campaign.

I posted here a few days ago recomending a grassroots advisory board or w/e because the campaign was doing such a bad job. Someone literally said ' I don't care what RP does with my money '.

You guys should be asking from the campaign why this happened. The first person you should ask is Joe Seehusen. In August, he was the Iowa state coordinator. Now he's the deputy campaign manager. With positions like that, you think he'd be crazy shit-hot. Where is he at? If he's the expert on Iowa, I want to hear his explanation, personally.

Or you could ask Bill Dumas and Jesse Benton why some of the excellent commercials on YouTube are not playing in Iowa, even though they've had way more money way longer then Mike Huckabee, who's been playing ads for at least a month.

I wouldn't ask Drew Ivers anything, it's really not his fault. They only have *one* major person on the crew in Iowa? They have 20 Million dollars!

Of course the truth is, the real problem lies in the campaign. Why are the same names recycled as the campaign grows? Why are there no major players added to the campaign when the RP campaign is obviously sellable.

Do you know what the remnant is? Ron Paul has mentioned it in a few of his speeches. They probably depended on the remnant to come out and vote. This is the HQ pipe dream.

I hear so much ' The reason the grassroots is so successful is because the campaign doesn't try to coordinate them '.
Please. That wasn't their secret to success, just as they say they have none. And it also didn't aid in it's success.

Face it. The campaign did nothing. They raised all this money and now they're sitting on it. The grassroots did with 1 million more then the campaign has done with 10.


Ron Paul always says ' I don't want the government running the economy, the people do much better '. I've come to the conclusion that the people also ran a better campaign. I don't even know what campaign they're running. They're so unconfident I honestly think RP has said he didn't think he could win more then the media. But, I listen to RP more then the media.

Did things change with the huge money bombs? Yeah, they did. Did the campaign change with the money bombs? No. They just asked for more money. And you gave it to them, without even seeing results.

Granted it was all in good fun, but who's less then 10% now? You guys act like he's going to just walk into NH and sweep a 1st place victory. Over 90,000 people didn't vote for Ron Paul, vs. about 10,000, with 86% of the tallies in.

They said the republican party saw a registration increase of 6%. Lets be generous and say half of that was for Ron Paul. That's, in Iowa, only 3,000 people, not even enough to bump Ron Paul up a place.

Now I'm seeing a thread that says we didn't target Obama supporters enough. I've been saying he's the real threat for weeks.

Anyway, lets say Thompson moves out and endorses McCain. Now Ron Paul has to beat the big 3. Not easy. And with Ron Paul placing a 9% 5th, there's plenty of fuel to go around saying he's not electable.

One thing's for sure. It's not your fault. It's not the grassroots fault. It's the campaigns fault. They're unorganized, unexperienced, and they are most certainly unfriendly. They laughed off the idea of going on Glen Beck's show, and eventually he gave a personal message to us, the internet, the grassroots, that he'd have Ron Paul on for an hour. Finally, their snobby campaign caved in.

What experience does the high-level Ron Paul staff having in running a republican presidential primary run?

You can ask them that. Good luck getting answers, though. They probably won't treat you any better then Glen Beck or Bill O'rilley. And Glen Beck did mess up by *having a guest* who called us terrorists (sort of), but BillO did nothing.

So when people are telling me off and telling me to go to hell for trying to push for a grassroots advisory board because I don't 'advise' them while they hold their signs, keep shining in your own glory. I've probably had a net conversion of over 1,000 people, maybe more. I've been here since the beginning, working hard and standing up to you ignorant, hateful and brash ' supporters '. That doesn't go out to all of you. That's just, in general, what I observe. It doesn't and never supprised me though. Americans are always more (insert negative word) in general then other people. That's why I don't even like it here. That's why Ron Paul was part of my hope. But over 90,000 people voted for someone else.

And by the reactions by my post a few days ago, that other 10% certainly isn't untouched either.

And yeah, the RP campaign not doing their part I take personally, personally.

So that's all I got to say, and I have to say it, otherwise I won't stop thinking it. Thanks.

+1000!

 

[malibu]

Yes, the campaign must revise their strategy, as should we.

Let's make some tactical analysis.

we won some precincts outright last night - with ALL delegates from that precinct going to the March conventions.

It hardly matters that McCain finished 2nd and Fred third in that precinct - they got totally shut out in delegates.

personally, I was elected to advance with 57.1% of my Iowa City precinct behind me -

I doubt that there are many - or ANY - precincts that gave all their delegates to someone finishing third (i.e. McLame and Thompson in every county ) SO WHAT ?

MSNBC and CNN obviously do NOT understand who finished third in actual county convention delegates - we WON some college town precincts.

emails going out to explain this reality to them :

We finished third in delegates !

 

[thuja]

Its already happening, my friend. Give it some time. MSM is dead. When a lumberjack hacks at the base of a tree it's fall becomes inevitable even if, from a distance, it appears to be standing and healthy.

We can all be the "lumberjacks" (how corny does that sound!). We have transitioned into an era of conscious activism. We change the world by our consumption choices. For example, I have no TV service and watch no sponsored programming, unless the sponsor's goods and services meet my approval. What little energy my home uses comes 100% from hydroelectic power and will one day soon come from the sun. What little energy my car uses to get around comes from alcohol made from sugar. I've driven 20 miles in the last two weeks. I eat only organic, uncooked, living plant food. I am healthier than I've been in my life as a result. Further, since all herbicides, pesticides, hormones, pharmaceuticals, and artificial fertilizers are manufactured from oil, I consume none of them ever. I consume very little in the way of consumer products, and nothing made in China and sold at Walmart. My clothes are made by small, private clothes makers here on the island who have even become my good friends

By choosing to live in Brazil I am assured that none of my tax dollars go to killing innocent civilians in the Middle East and Africa. I know not everyone can do this, but everyone can do something similar. We "vote" with every single consumption choice we make, including where we get our news (to bring it back to topic). These are the votes that count.

Okay, I'll climb off my soapbox.

this is the way to live!

 

[JS4Pat]

If Paul is unable or unwilling to effectively lead his campaign staff, he should not be President.

Criticisms of the official campaign are certainly merited. They are amateurs. They are unprofessional.

That they have been allowed to run the campaign in the first place is a reflection on Ron Paul's judgment.

If he doesn't pull a Reagan and take charge of his own campaign, or if he lacks the judgment to even perceive the gross defeciencies in his staff and strategy, then the sad truth of the matter is that he does not deserve to be President.

Do you want the same man who assembled this idiotic group of campaign staff to select the Cabinet of the of U.S.?

Think about it.

I have faith he'll do the right thing.
But, I'm not holding my breath.

I agree totally!

BTW - this is the same problem I had with Pat Buchanan's presidential campaign and I was on the staff.

 

[dawnbt]

I don't think you can call this a failure in any way. Ron Paul was polling in Iowa somewhere near zero before October. All of his numbers have gone up since then. He was polling at an average of 7.3% yesterday and will likely finish near 10% in Iowa. I think momentum is building. If you look at the graphs of the polls, his have been constantly moving up. It is unrealistic to expect a huge jump from zero to win, especially for a candidate that gets almost no media coverage. This is just the start. If the trend continues, his numbers will continue to increase as the primaries continue on.

True, but can you truly say it was because of the campaign? It was all grassroots that got us here. Meet-ups, bombs, rally's, blimps, Youtube videos, and full page ads! What has the campaign done? Their ad was a joke! I think they are too full of theirselves to take grassroot opinions seriously. It is time to clean house!

 

[fj45lvr]

Three things I'd like to see happen here:

1. End the MSM
2. Join the Republican party by focusing on people's MONEY
3. figure out how to get 18-29 years olds to show up at the polls

2 and 3 are good.

I hate to tell you this but #1 isn't gonna happen with "carrot and stick"....they DONT CARE (unless you are actually causing them some kind of real PAIN or SUFFERING) and that is NOT LIKELY.

For example: Iowa has a population of 3 million and there was only 10000 votes cast for PAUL......I repeat. THEY DON'T CARE. .oo33 percent is worthy of a chuckle.

 

[dawnbt]

This is not the time for "I told you so" posts.

This is the PERFECT time for "I told you so" posts! It's time to wake up before it is too late!! I agreed with his advisory board from the get go and have no idea why everyone made such a hastle about it in the first place!!!

 

[malibu]

we won some precincts outright last night - with ALL delegates from that precinct going to the March conventions.

It hardly matters that McCain finished 2nd and Fred third in that precinct - they got totally shut out in delegates.

personally, I was elected to advance with 57.1% of my Iowa City precinct behind me -

I doubt that there are many - or ANY - precincts that gave all their delegates to someone finishing third (i.e. McLame and Thompson in every county ) SO WHAT ?

MSNBC and CNN obviously do NOT understand who finished third in actual county convention delegates - we WON some college town precincts.

emails going out to explain this reality to them :

We finished third in delegates !

I'll repeat this again fer ya'

 

[DrNoZone]

Get real guys...RP did well in Iowa considering the following: 60% of the voters are evangelicals, a large percentage are old age, a large percentage receive farm subsidies, and Bush II has a 70% approval rating! Given those factors, he did quite well! And shit, he only lost to Thompson and McCain by 3%!! That isn't shit! Oh, and he absolutely KILLED the supposed nationwide front-runner, Ghouliani! Look at the bright side guys, this wasn't a bad night. Sure, it could have been better, but it wasn't as bad as all of you negative nanny's and chicken little's are saying.

 

[dawnbt]

Saying it is bad to criticize the campaign seems similar to saying it unpatriotic to criticize the war.

Thank you! I totally agree!!!!

 

[Soccrmastr]

DjLoti don't tread on me

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

If Paul is unable or unwilling to effectively lead his campaign staff, he should not be President.

Criticisms of the official campaign are certainly merited. They are amateurs. They are unprofessional.

That they have been allowed to run the campaign in the first place is a reflection on Ron Paul's judgment.

If he doesn't pull a Reagan and take charge of his own campaign, or if he lacks the judgment to even perceive the gross defeciencies in his staff and strategy, then the sad truth of the matter is that he does not deserve to be President.

Do you want the same man who assembled this idiotic group of campaign staff to select the Cabinet of the of U.S.?

Think about it.

I have faith he'll do the right thing.
But, I'm not holding my breath.

Having been well versed in Marketing and working with some of the BEST in field, Spinning a products etc...

I've been saying it for months, it's not RON PAUL, it's not the Supporters, it's not Money, but his Campaign Management and advisers. A few of us recognized early that Amateurs don't have a chance against well managed professional organizations of the other candidates that have done this before. You constantly have to reevaluate your strategies during a campaign and refine but the candidate and the paid staffers.

I'm still trying to figure out what the Strategy of Campaign Management has been? Then again... WHAT STRATEGY?

 

[joenaab]

this is the way to live!

and to think that i left out the perfect weather, gorgeous beaches, even more gorgeous bikini-clad women who outnumber the men seven to one, land and homes at a fraction of the cost of those in the U.S. and either on the beach or very near it, food is nearly free (if you're not growing it yourself as I am), and so much more.

i discovered that i didn't have to die to go to heaven. it's here on earth in south brazil!