I tried to warn you guys.

[dawnbt]

I agree with many of the posts here. I'll make it very simple and succinct:

SPEND THE MONEY WE DONATED AND GET THE MESSAGE OUT!

The message will sell itself as it is presented to the voters in a professional way. Ron Paul's campaign will be able to raise all the money it needs if it shows results (which means racking up some campaign wins). I for one am not content simply to say, "Well, we made some real progress this time...maybe in eight years we can gain another five or ten percent." Nonsense! That kind of talk is for losers! While I am speaking out tonight against the pessimism which I am seeing on the board, I am also speaking out to the campaign to get out there and do your job. The candidate is right, the message has never been more important, and the time has come to run! Don't squander this opportunity to grab the momentum!

"applause"!

 

[McLovin]

Just spread the message. Conspiracy theories, calling for the end of the MSM, calling people stupid and sheep etc. do nothing for the campaign. POSITIVITY will win over more people than this stuff ever will. There is no better way to allow the media and other candidates to portray us as a crazy fringe group than to act like one. Don't even discuss the white supremacists and 9/11 deniers like we constantly do-they are a fraction of RPs support. Paying them lip service only brings them to forefront. A fraction of EVERY candidates support is composed of lunatics of some sort-you don't know it because they don't discuss it. Like it or not to be President you need to be mainstream or at least have that perception. No candidates ideas make more sense than RPs, no candidate is as consistent and unwavering in his support of those ideas-that should be our focus.
RP is a good an honest man with no oyher motive for running for President than wanting to change America for the better, that's an easy sell IMO. You may be (or think you are) more informed and intelligent than Huckabee's people but that doesn't really matter if he's the next President. Just spread the message.

 

[Todd]

The loss in Iowa does not mean this is over. Yes...Campaign has major issues...We have some really strong grassroots leaders in Virginia, who get circumvented by Campaign and it is distressfull. We need to focus on our own states.. Campaign or not...The grassroots has to be the answer folks.
We can't rely on them.

 

[dawnbt]

So should we e-mail bomb the campaign about this?

Totally! Only problem is, they don't care. I know Ron Paul isn't on here, so he may have no clue how we feel. They aren't gonna say, "Hey Boss, the grassroots think we are incompetent and need to be replaced"!

 

[ecliptic]

F yoo

Just spread the message. Conspiracy theories, calling for the end of the MSM, calling people stupid and sheep etc. do nothing for the campaign. POSITIVITY will win over more people than this stuff ever will. There is no better way to allow the media and other candidates to portray us as a crazy fringe group than to act like one. Don't even discuss the white supremacists and 9/11 deniers like we constantly do-they are a fraction of RPs support. Paying them lip service only brings them to forefront. A fraction of EVERY candidates support is composed of lunatics of some sort-you don't know it because they don't discuss it. Like it or not to be President you need to be mainstream or at least have that perception. No candidates ideas make more sense than RPs, no candidate is as consistent and unwavering in his support of those ideas-that should be our focus.
RP is a good an honest man with no oyher motive for running for President than wanting to change America for the better, that's an easy sell IMO. You may be (or think you are) more informed and intelligent than Huckabee's people but that doesn't really matter if he's the next President. Just spread the message.

F U

 

[dawnbt]

You aren't helping this campaign by making negative predicitions, then laughing at us for not listening. Saying "I told you so" after a hard loss in Iowa isn't going to raise donations, gain votes, or help in any shape or form.

DON'T jump the bandwagon, people who are agreeing with this guy. Just hold off. He is becoming a propoganda spitting FOX lover.

I don't think anyone is jumping the bandwagon. What the OP said is true and it's time people realized it. If we can "protest" FOX news and the such, we should be able to voice our opinion of the lazy and rude campaign staff. That post from the Granny Warrior was enough to make my blood boil!! We are busting our asses and they are hungover, rude, and cocky, like they had ANYTHING to do with Dec. 16th! They got a free ride! Now it's time to hold them responsible!

 

[JanusFIN]

Offcourse I wish for better result... But... Real issues come later!

In the eyes of the world, you have earned many times the destruction and collapse that Ron Paul is talking about, and whats coming. He warns you, because he know the truth. You also have to understand the value of the truth.

Media makes issues, not people. And Ron Paul already speaks about the real issues, witch will rise to final in month or two. Honest man speaking about the truth is the only hope Americans really have! The Media doesnt care about truth, they are puppets, those few couple of guys, placed by couple of guys. They are your real enemy, and they do as the plan goes.

War On Terror, greatest lie ever made, will be THE issue, and its good that Ron Paul keeps talking about it, because there are millions of people involved in that lie, and its going to rule the talk in the coming months.

Federal Reserve, Income Tax, Constitution, those are all main issues, and main cause for things to happen, and whats really has also to change. US is today the most mighty communist country ever been, ruled by few, for the few. Thats why Ron Paul talk about constitution, because he tells you the truth. So listen.

If your people not see where your country is heading, and understand the message of Ron Paul now, right away, there is no second choice left. World has seen enough, and "enough is enough!" You are the most hated people on the earth right now! That really is an issue to talk about.

Iowa has no meaning, the fight will be start after these first rounds. Nobody will remember "The time of Iowa" after two weeks or month to come. Issues will also changed, totally, when the big game starts. Most important is that Ron Paul keeps his line, what ever happens now, he has already get many way his opinion out from the main issues, in war and in economy, and witch will give him the opportunity to win in final too. He is very powerful in those leading issues witch will rule the race in the final. Keep your believe to the power of truth!

"Find for the questions, not answers, because when you have find the answer, world has changed already"

- Why Rudy takes steps back now, and we know that he is the main candidate for bankers and corporations?

Something will happen when the time is right, and what is going to change the issues for good. Rudy is placed to act then as "survivor of the planet." I personally believe that somekind of "terrorist" act is planned to near future.

Your government behind the government has plan this election very carefully, and I think its still going with their plans. Obama and Huckabee is only sprinters for the election, not "the real candidates" because with issues they now rides, are fully meaningless after "what happened" and only shows their weakness in the rising "real issues" ( But in those we will be very powerful with Ron Paul )

They have already chosen Hillary and Rudy for winners, thats their plan. But where those two are "good?" In: War, Economy and Security. Same issues that Ron Paul gives a good "another choice". And why Ron Paul can beat them in every debate, is because he know the truth, and he has no selfish meanings behind his words.

He know what are the leading issues when the real fight starts, thats why he is talking about these issues already, even if those hurts him at beginning, because I believe that he know whats coming, and how other "then meaningless" issues can only hurt him in the future if he run with those now.

Keep your line Ron, spread the truth, Stop The War!!!

 

[PC_for_Paul]

I think we will have to rethink opposing Mental Retardation testing of the general public. Looking at Iowa I think the problem is much bigger than we ever thought.

The results give me pause, looks like we are headed for the great deprression 2 with no way to avoid it.

I hope we do better in NH.

 

[Question_Authority]

I say we make it clear to the campaign that we're holding them accountable. In a free market, we hold the people who we give our money to accountable for their services. If they provide bad service, they lose business. In this case, we want the campaign to perform up to expectations, and following the philosophy of free market, we have a right to hold them accountable for all the money we've given.

EXCELLENT POINT! I so agree with the OP as well.

I also have to point out that:

1. Ron Paul himself has made the decision to only campaign part time because his one lone vote in Congress is so important to his integrity. BAD DECISION. When you are trying to be President it is a full time job. He MUST PRIORITIZE. The future of this country relies on him winning, and that is much more important than his little vote in Congress. I am sure his constituents would understand.

2. When he DOES decide to show up in NH, it is often "under the radar" screen. He is basically running a stealth campaign here! I have been told that he does not want to alert his supporters he is coming because they will mob him and not allow the undecideds to get a crack at him. I say HOGWASH. He should be making a HUGE fanfare when he comes to NH and get his supporters to follow him everwhere to show everyone in our path what a huge following he has. IF WE MADE IT CLEAR TO THE SUPPORTERS THAT THEY NEED TO KEEP A DISTANCE AND NOT MOB HIM, WE WILL. Apparently he does not have faith in us to follow instructions.

3. If he DOES announce a visit to NH it is at the VERY LAST MINUTE. So there is almost no time to make plans or even try to get undecideds to go to his events.

Every decision the campaign makes seems counterintuitive and counterproductive!

4. I said a month ago when Huckabee was surging that we should FORGET IOWA and just focus on NH. Paul already was not devoting enough time to IA and NH, so I felt we should just focus on ONE STATE to make a BIG SPLASH instead of splitting his relatively small time commitment into 2 states. NH was the obvious choice because:

1. It is smaller and easier to campaign.

2. Many fewer people to reach, yet the outcome is just as prestigious.

3. He already had a ton of momentum and WAY more donations from NH than IA.

4. IA is full of Evangelicals and Bush supporters.

Why go into IA, late in the game, when others had devoted tons of money and time and resources for months and months and months???? It was INSANE to say the least. I would much have preferred to write it off, and be able to say "We didn't campaign in IA, therefore we expected to do poorly". Instead he could have been pounding the pavement in NH all that time. CONCENTRATED EFFORT.

The results last night prove I am right.

HOW DID I KNOW THIS BUT THE CAMPAIGN DID NOT??

When I emailed the campaign to ask why they were ignoring NH a few weeks ago, I got a haughty reply back saying "We are not ignoring NH, we are spending tons of money on radio and TV". This is PROOF POSITIVE the campaign has no idea how to run a national presidential campaign. NH IS ALL ABOUT SHAKING HANDS AND KISSING BABIES!!!!!!!

WE NEED A NEW CAMPAIGN STAFF!

How can we use our grassroots strength to convince Ron Paul of this? Any ideas?

He says he will listen to the people as President.

Will he listen to the people while running for President????

 

[malibu]

I think we will have to rethink opposing Mental Retardation testing of the general public. Looking at Iowa I think the problem is much bigger than we ever thought.

The results give me pause, looks like we are headed for the great deprression 2 with no way to avoid it.

I hope we do better in NH.

Third in actual Iowa delegates for Ron Paul - because we actually won some precincts -
was much better than McCain and Fred getting shut out in actual delegates because they finished third everywhere behind either Huckabee or Romney or Ron Paul in some precincts.

We did fine enough all things considered - with alot more to go.

 

[dawnbt]

Having been well versed in Marketing and working with some of the BEST in field, Spinning a products etc...

I've been saying it for months, it's not RON PAUL, it's not the Supporters, it's not Money, but his Campaign Management and advisers. A few of us recognized early that Amateurs don't have a chance against well managed professional organizations of the other candidates that have done this before. You constantly have to reevaluate your strategies during a campaign and refine but the candidate and the paid staffers.

I'm still trying to figure out what the Strategy of Campaign Management has been? Then again... WHAT STRATEGY?

It's not just HQ, it's state coordinators too! We had a huge meet-up meeting here in MI and at the end to State Coordinators came up to speak. All they said was "HI, you're doing a great job. Keep up the good work" I waited 3 hours for that! I really expected them to tell us what plans they had for Michigan and what they were going to do. Nothing! I know we're doing a great job. What are YOU doing? Needless to say, I was very disappointed!

 

[M.Bellmore]

It's not just HQ, it's state coordinators too! We had a huge meet-up meeting here in MI and at the end to State Coordinators came up to speak. All they said was "HI, you're doing a great job. Keep up the good work" I waited 3 hours for that! I really expected them to tell us what plans they had for Michigan and what they were going to do. Nothing! I know we're doing a great job. What are YOU doing? Needless to say, I was very disappointed!

Michigan has been on a state coordinator tailspin for so long it practically impossible to pull out. However on talk radio I did hear Ron Paul ads (the only other candidate ads I heard were Romney ads).

 

[theguyver]

"The grassroots did with 1 million more then the campaign has done with 10."

AMEN

I completely agree with the OP. It is inexcusable that the grassroots groups accomplished more with nickels and dimes than the official campaign did with millions.

Ron Paul has a great product to sell: freedom, prosperity and peace. It almost sells itself, you just have to get the message out! Why didn't they bombard Iowa and NH with kick-ass commercials like the dozens you see on YouTube, not the crappy ones the official campaign is using?

It's true that officials aren't elected by the thinking minority, they're elected by the dumbed down masses. But I also think the official campaign sat on their laurels thinking that the grassroots effort was all they needed to win.

 

[ghemminger]

"The grassroots did with 1 million more then the campaign has done with 10."

AMEN

I completely agree with the OP. It is inexcusable that the grassroots groups accomplished more with nickels and dimes than the official campaign did with millions.

Ron Paul has a great product to sell: freedom, prosperity and peace. It almost sells itself, you just have to get the message out! Why didn't they bombard Iowa and NH with kick-ass commercials like the dozens you see on YouTube, not the crappy ones the official campaign is using?

It's true that officials aren't elected by the thinking minority, they're elected by the dumbed down masses. But I also think the official campaign sat on their laurels thinking that the grassroots effort was all they needed to win.

+100

 

[takadi]

This thread is over 9000

Damn I got so much crap from this board from complaining about the official campaign, but it seems that the majority now agrees that something is wrong.

Seriously, did anyone not suspect that our money was being squandered when that horrible "he's catchin on" commercial was aired? It took me so long just to apologize for it and move on. Then they came out with that atrocious immigration ad


It finally takes a dissatisfactory placing in Iowa to wake people up.

It's time we put a flame under their ass and demand more. Ron, be a man, and fire some people and spend some damn money! You can concentrate on surplus when you become president

 

[ghemminger]

This thread is over 9000

Damn I got so much crap from this board from complaining about the official campaign, but it seems that the majority now agrees that something is wrong.

Seriously, did anyone not suspect that our money was being squandered when that horrible "he's catchin on" commercial was aired? It took me so long just to apologize for it and move on. Then they came out with that atrocious immigration ad


It finally takes a dissatisfactory placing in Iowa to wake people up.

It's time we put a flame under their ass and demand more. Ron, be a man, and fire some people and spend some damn money! You can concentrate on surplus when you become president

Wait till you see the FCC reports - Grassroots is gonna flip ove the money that was spent...they are just ineffcient - not bad people - and they will not listen

 

[awitelin]

Thank you for saying what I have been thinking all last night and this morning... thank you

 

[ghemminger]

Thank you for saying what I have been thinking all last night and this morning... thank you

THER IS STILL TIME TO WIN -

All Money Bombs need to be directed back to GrassRoots:

The Blimp Team is the mosted evolved to handle this work

 

[aravoth]

I'm gonna take this time to tell you, the 'grassroots', something you probably don't wanna hear. ' I told you so '

I'm sorry, but with not even 10%, it's a F for the campaign.

I posted here a few days ago recomending a grassroots advisory board or w/e because the campaign was doing such a bad job. Someone literally said ' I don't care what RP does with my money '.

You guys should be asking from the campaign why this happened. The first person you should ask is Joe Seehusen. In August, he was the Iowa state coordinator. Now he's the deputy campaign manager. With positions like that, you think he'd be crazy shit-hot. Where is he at? If he's the expert on Iowa, I want to hear his explanation, personally.

Or you could ask Bill Dumas and Jesse Benton why some of the excellent commercials on YouTube are not playing in Iowa, even though they've had way more money way longer then Mike Huckabee, who's been playing ads for at least a month.

I wouldn't ask Drew Ivers anything, it's really not his fault. They only have *one* major person on the crew in Iowa? They have 20 Million dollars!

Of course the truth is, the real problem lies in the campaign. Why are the same names recycled as the campaign grows? Why are there no major players added to the campaign when the RP campaign is obviously sellable.

Do you know what the remnant is? Ron Paul has mentioned it in a few of his speeches. They probably depended on the remnant to come out and vote. This is the HQ pipe dream.

I hear so much ' The reason the grassroots is so successful is because the campaign doesn't try to coordinate them '.
Please. That wasn't their secret to success, just as they say they have none. And it also didn't aid in it's success.

Face it. The campaign did nothing. They raised all this money and now they're sitting on it. The grassroots did with 1 million more then the campaign has done with 10.


Ron Paul always says ' I don't want the government running the economy, the people do much better '. I've come to the conclusion that the people also ran a better campaign. I don't even know what campaign they're running. They're so unconfident I honestly think RP has said he didn't think he could win more then the media. But, I listen to RP more then the media.

Did things change with the huge money bombs? Yeah, they did. Did the campaign change with the money bombs? No. They just asked for more money. And you gave it to them, without even seeing results.

Granted it was all in good fun, but who's less then 10% now? You guys act like he's going to just walk into NH and sweep a 1st place victory. Over 90,000 people didn't vote for Ron Paul, vs. about 10,000, with 86% of the tallies in.

They said the republican party saw a registration increase of 6%. Lets be generous and say half of that was for Ron Paul. That's, in Iowa, only 3,000 people, not even enough to bump Ron Paul up a place.

Now I'm seeing a thread that says we didn't target Obama supporters enough. I've been saying he's the real threat for weeks.

Anyway, lets say Thompson moves out and endorses McCain. Now Ron Paul has to beat the big 3. Not easy. And with Ron Paul placing a 9% 5th, there's plenty of fuel to go around saying he's not electable.

One thing's for sure. It's not your fault. It's not the grassroots fault. It's the campaigns fault. They're unorganized, unexperienced, and they are most certainly unfriendly. They laughed off the idea of going on Glen Beck's show, and eventually he gave a personal message to us, the internet, the grassroots, that he'd have Ron Paul on for an hour. Finally, their snobby campaign caved in.

What experience does the high-level Ron Paul staff having in running a republican presidential primary run?

You can ask them that. Good luck getting answers, though. They probably won't treat you any better then Glen Beck or Bill O'rilley. And Glen Beck did mess up by *having a guest* who called us terrorists (sort of), but BillO did nothing.

So when people are telling me off and telling me to go to hell for trying to push for a grassroots advisory board because I don't 'advise' them while they hold their signs, keep shining in your own glory. I've probably had a net conversion of over 1,000 people, maybe more. I've been here since the beginning, working hard and standing up to you ignorant, hateful and brash ' supporters '. That doesn't go out to all of you. That's just, in general, what I observe. It doesn't and never supprised me though. Americans are always more (insert negative word) in general then other people. That's why I don't even like it here. That's why Ron Paul was part of my hope. But over 90,000 people voted for someone else.

And by the reactions by my post a few days ago, that other 10% certainly isn't untouched either.

And yeah, the RP campaign not doing their part I take personally, personally.

So that's all I got to say, and I have to say it, otherwise I won't stop thinking it. Thanks.

Tell me something DJ, and George. What the fuck were you guys going to do that would've changed the outcome of Iowa in 2 days? Explain that to me.

Gonna make phone calls? It was done.

Gonna buy TV Air time with 2 days to go? Good luck with that.

Gonna drop something in the mail? It would've arrived on Monday.

Nothing would've changed it. This idea is about 60 days late to the party. If it would even help at all. HQ hasn't paid attention to a god damn thing anyone here has ever asked, or screamed at them. How the fuck is some small band of merry Paulites all of the sudden going to get access to all the info.

They can't even coordinate like some of you are thinking with the grassroots because of laws. And Goerge, don't give some crap about "oh something big is coming". I don't wanna hear anymore speculative bullshit from any of you. If you have an inside track and know what is happening, spill it. Don't sit there and make yourself feel important. Everyone on this board works there asses off. Calling yourself "heavy hitters" is fucking laughable in my book.

 

[thoughtbombing]

DJ Loti isn't exactly a hired Shill here for Rudy or something... you can disagree, as I clearly disagree(I think fraud played at least a minor roll in the 3rd to 5th slide)... but he's not here to try and bring us down. Listen to his show on Ron Paul Radio... nobody donates more time than the Radio hosts on there, the admins here, the meetup leaders...

start knocking on doors in primary states... FUCK SIGN WAVING... KNOCK ON DOORS OR SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTHS, FROM NOW ON--KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK!!!