I Received a Response From Debbie Hopper on Money Bomb

sailingaway said:
I agree. We really need a month end push for Iowa projects.
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thedude said:
100% in agreement. We tried to do daily 1-up donation threads earlier in the week to push donations to the Iowa projects (which are official campaign donations). The quarter ends with this month. If the campaign should be promoting anything, it is a major push the last week of June.

If anybody is thinking, "Oh, well, I will probably donate the 4th because it'll be good for Ron." Then I strongly suggest you use the funds you are saving and pump them into the campaign before the quarter is over.

No amount of press for a moneybomb will be as good as the amount of press for a STRONG finish for the quarter!!!

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-Underfunded-get-media!&p=3336004#post3336004

http://iowaforronpaul.com/projects.php
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^^^ This!
 
RonPaulVolunteer said:
It's amazing the elf-importance some people think we have here. I have been involved in the movement since mid 2007, I run 2 meetups and am incredibly active in many ways with many people, and yet at our last meetup I met the SECOND person ever that knew about Ron Paul Forums. We make up a TINY part of the grassroots. We really need to get over ourselves. We're not even the most "hardcore" activists because those people don't have the time to sit at a computer making forum posts.

Trevor can be hard to connect with. I thought we were good friends, but then he doesn't even reply to my emails anymore. But he's very good at what he does, and he has a mailing list of thousands that so far it seems we can trust him with. So because of this, and because the campaign needs the money ASAP, I say we promote both. I know one big sum on a single day is nice and gets some media mention, but do you have any idea how much better it is to just have money in the bank NOW!? They need to spend now, which means they need our money now. Just max out right away, send them everything you have, NOW. If we win Iowa, the money will damn well pour in like a damn has just burst. Just donate today, now, do it.
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The moneybombs usually originate online and trickle down to meetups.
 
July 4th is a dumb day for one. June 30th is the day the campaign needs one if one must be done. If he's such a sorcerer of fundraising he would know this.

Also, I agree that the bickering is stupid, and on the insights into self-importance.

Moneybombs are certainly part getting the message out, but in a larger part a function of how many of his supporters are engaged and paying attention at a given time, not to mention what sort of media Ron is generating.
 
Napoleon's Shadow said:
The campaign needs money BEFORE the end of the filing deadline in Jul 1.
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Exactly. In fact, this will be true for EVERY quarter- so the principle is, do not schedule a money bomb "just after" the end of quarter. IMO, three weeks after is a reasonable delay.

Every quarter should end in a push to get the highest amount possible.

I've detailed this out a dozen times- I'll just link to it this time: :)
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...sing-for-2011-techniques-considerations-ideas



Sentinelrv said:
Judging from the total on that Facebook page, you can't say that this has anything to do with Josh or Bryan's anti-Trevor attitude on the forum. Yes, maybe the poll I linked in the previous email did, but this Facebook page draws from people outside of RonPaulForums.
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Just to be clear, this issue has nothing to do with being anti-anyone, it's pro-strong principles. Being anti a person doesn't make sense to me. All of this is laid out in my postings in this thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?295415
 
libertybrewcity said:
There is nothing wrong with a spontaneous minibomb on July 4th...
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It's not spontaneous. If the campaign endorses it, then we will have to interrupt our build-up for July 19th. I'm ok with it if the campaign doesn't endorse it, but we can't allow Trevor to hijack this movement any longer. Furthermore, it stimulates my curiosity to wonder how much he stands to gain by promoting HIS date as opposed to the popular one, as he has in the past.
 
And folks, please do not spam Deb Hopper with emails. One or two should be quite sufficient and I know she has gotten that many by now.
 
iGGz said:
Is this the same Trevor who started the Legalize Gold and Silver Moneybomb? I've heard from multiple people that he originally had the link to donate pointed directly to his personal paypal account.
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I'd bet money that is wrong. He isn't a crook, at least I've never seen any suggestion at all of that, only that people are pissed if he gets a fee (apparently) when grassroots generally are working so hard to promote the money bombs. They want all the money to go to the campaign, and some don't think what Trevor does is worth a fee, or else want it disclosed so they have a better idea of how much money is going to that and not to Ron.

Personally, I think if Ron agrees to pay a fee, that is his call, but I also agree that things of that sort should be disclosed. When some are hard put to put $20.12 to some of these money bombs, having thousands go other than to Ron is unattractive, and those people should be able to donate directly or whatever, if they want to.

For me transparency is important, but I don't want the fight over this to hurt Ron making money.
 
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johnrocks said:
Trevor has done a lot for this movement, I consider him the "Elvis" of moneybombs, so if he wants a July 4th moneybomb, I'm not gonna question his expertise on the matter as I have zero expertise on the matter.

Every dollar helps and if one raises a million and the other one raises only $500,000 due to it being so soon after the other one then that's still 1.5 million toward the cause. That's my unqualified opinion anyway.

BTW, not a criticism, I thank ,respect and love all those fighting for Dr. Paul.
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Wow, since when does ANYONE have expertise on the matter. I mean, who is Trevor Lyman that he is, all of a sudden, an unquestionable authority on this. I thought people here were skeptical of authority. Trevor is not the Elvis of moneybombs. He did a lot of good for the movement, but he has stood to gain from moneybombs, so I would be cautious in obeying him, since he has a vested interested in promoting his own date. He may get some of your money, is what I'm trying to say.

I am not, in any way, criticizing you, but I think you have a misunderstanding on the implications of this. I, for one, think a 3-4million dollar money bomb would be much more than 1.5 mil over two moneybomb days. I think we should fight to create that motivation for the 19th. Promote it everywhere you can and do not participate in the July 4th moneybomb. We can't afford to have this strategy co-opted by greed so soon yet.
 
Jim Casey said:
Money bombs are a great example of central planning in action. Imagine if we let the IRS decide how much of our annual income we can deduct in the form of donations within a particular time frame, say a year rather than a day.
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No, they came from the grass roots.
 
To the OP: Is there any way you could pass along the idea that we should tie the moneybomb to the Iowa projects page?
 
Sweman said:
That is not Sentinelrv's point either, I think.

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Or is it? I don't know and will stop speaking for others.
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Yes, it is. The less traction the moneybomb gets or the less people know about the moneybomb, the less likely the campaign will pick up on it. Trevor doesn't determine what moneybomb is going to be the ONE, facebook does. If it finds its way onto that Ron paul 2012 site, the campaign will pick up on it and its over.
 
If the campaign would just keep the live donations ticker feed on the website for the rest of the campaign season there wouldn't be much debate about what dates to have money bombs. Different people or groups of people could have their own spontaneous money bombs whenever they choose. When people start to see the ticker go up, interests in donating may increase.
 
notsure said:
If the campaign would just keep the live donations ticker feed on the website for the rest of the campaign season there wouldn't be much debate about what dates to have money bombs. Different people or groups of people could have their own spontaneous money bombs whenever they choose. When people start to see the ticker go up, interests in donating may increase.
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This has been addressed repeatedly. The campaign would get in trouble for having it up, or at least risk trouble.
 
PaulConventionWV said:
Wow, since when does ANYONE have expertise on the matter. I mean, who is Trevor Lyman that he is, all of a sudden, an unquestionable authority on this. I thought people here were skeptical of authority. Trevor is not the Elvis of moneybombs. He did a lot of good for the movement, but he has stood to gain from moneybombs, so I would be cautious in obeying him, since he has a vested interested in promoting his own date. He may get some of your money, is what I'm trying to say.

I am not, in any way, criticizing you, but I think you have a misunderstanding on the implications of this. I, for one, think a 3-4million dollar money bomb would be much more than 1.5 mil over two moneybomb days. I think we should fight to create that motivation for the 19th. Promote it everywhere you can and do not participate in the July 4th moneybomb. We can't afford to have this strategy co-opted by greed so soon yet.
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I was using 1.5 as merely an example, as to Trevor, I just think that he does deserve a lot of credit for basically inventing this idea for the RP campaign and I'm no expert on fund raising but I'm not going to question him or anyone else who is.
 
Will not donate on July 4th.

Hope the campaign doesn't promote this. Otherwise they'll get a money bomb no one here supports, followed by a diminished one on July 19th because of their promotion of the July 4th one.

Is Lyingman getting a cut?
 
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