I need your help and advice quickly.

[Kylie]

This is something totally new to me.

My kids are a decade older than your's, but we didn't go back to the doctor for the first visit until a month-6 weeks after birth.

What exactly are they doing to babies at 3 days? Why do they NEED them to come in that soon?

These would be my questions if I were you Tim, and I personally would love to know the answers.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Had enough yet?

Angry enough yet?

Is it time yet??!!

Tim, I hope to god all is well.

 

[pinkmandy]

This is becoming more common. I'm done having kids but if I did now I'd look into a home birth or a midwife run birthing center. I know you have to use a hospie if you need a c/s but other than that I'd avoid them and even then I'd drive further to avoid one w/policies like this. BUT, you live and learn. You'd never think they'd act this way until it happens to you.

Personally, I think I'd look into holding the doctor responsible and if it's hospital policy then I'd include them as well. Harassing you for not bringing a healthy baby to the doctor is out of control. 3 days is insane but really, if your child is healthy, and you are delaying or not vaccinating then it's your business.

What state are you in? Was this an ob/gyn or the pediatrician making the call?

And no, I wouldn't mess w/CPS until the issue is cleared up. They have way too much power.

http://shreddedsociety.com/

 

[123tim]

Another update:

This is mostly an update on the C.P.S. side of the story.....the story with the Doctor who turned us in is ongoing (it appears that I'm making headway on this.) however it is getting quite nebulous.

I took the advice of Pappy (the post directly under my first, on page one). I decided to live to fight another day and not mess with the CPS. The doctor who we intended to see our son gave us a very good report. He spoke to the C.P.S. agent saying that there was absolutely no reason to turn us in. The CPS lady told me this herself, but said that she still needed to see our son.

I asked her to come by that day, but told her that I didn't agree with what was happening. She saw our son when we brought him out on the front porch. She was very polite and courteous and stood about 5 feet away and never attempted to touch him.

She then said that she needed to see our daughter...this disturbed me greatly but I still called my daughter out. The CPS lady talked to her for about one minute and was very nice to her as well. She didn't ask any sort on invasive questions and was obviously just doing what she had to do to get the job over with.

She then took out a camera and said that she was required to take pictures of each child. I said that I wouldn't allow this. She said "O.K." and said that because of this, I would need to sign a release form. I signed the form, she said goodbye and started to go on her way. She said that she was behind on her work and would send me a copy of the closed report in about a week.


I don't want to give the impression that I was ok with any of this - I was not. The only things that made it easier was the knowledge that another entity, not CPS, had initiated this. It also helped that I live in a very small community where every one knows each other and acts much more civilized because of this fact. I can honestly say that the CPS lady was just doing her job. It still was however, a complete and unwarranted invasion of my privacy.

I shudder to think what the outcome might have been if I would have lived in a large city. Completely different I think.


Like I've said, I've lived to fight another day and I'm doing it. I'm taking on the Medical Center head on. The medical center is in a large city, and the staff is 98 percent unfriendly. I've already escalated my complaints to the administration level. Everyone that I've talked to at the branch of the center has been evasive, unhelpful, deceitful, and downright unfriendly. Despite all of this, I managed to find out the name of the Doctor who turned me in (This wasn't supposed to be revealed to me.). I managed to have a conversation with the doctor despite her unwillingness to do so. I also had a nurse admit that she was one of the ones who originally spoke to me on the phone. I managed to get the nurse to consent to letting me record her admission along with other facts that implicate wrongdoing.

To summarize what is going on now:

The Doctor has stated that she didn't follow up with me before she turned us in because she didn't want to " give us time to prepare for the CPS arrival". This pretty much falls in line with the way that the nurses who called responded using long periods of silence every time that we stated that we would be taking the baby elsewhere and at a later date. If they would have said "well then, we're going to have to report you to CPS" the office protocol set up by the doctor would have been broken, we would have been made aware of the office "rules". We would have then made the appropriate response to keep this from happening. This response would have most likely been an immediate phone call to the administrator.

I do have an ace in the hole....the doctor lied twice on the report citing reasons for possible child abuse when she turned us in.....I think that the Doctor suspects that I'm aware of this. I certainly intend to use this to the full advantage to keep this from happening to anyone else.

Thank you for all of your comments and concern. I appreciate you all.

Please forgive my poorly written summary.....not getting much sleep anymore. Can't seem to think very clearly these last few weeks.

By the way. I live in Pennsylvania.

 

[Natalie]

The innoculation crap.... cases of autism are skyrocketing. Our government tells us our kids must have these shots in order to attend school; but at the same time they allow 10 to 20 million illegals in this country, that have no innoculations whatsoever....nor could the government care. What are they inserting into the shots they force our kids to get.... steralization ?

If I had it to do all over again, I would home birth all my children....home school my children and never get "numbers" for them..... then live happily ever after.

Yeah, that sounds nice... but without a SS number and documents, you can't even get a job, much less go to college or anything. There's no way to get out of it. Unless you want your kids to pick lettuce for the rest of their lives.

 

[KCIndy]

Damn!

Sounds like that doctor has it in for you, for whatever weird reason. It sounds like everyone else in this chain of horrors is just "following orders" like good little minions of the State, but why in the world did the doctor come after you with the long knives? Is she old and grumpy, or is she just young and idealistic and fresh from Med school?

 

[Natalie]

I just watched this documentary called the Business of Being Born on netflix. It was all about Natural Births in the US, and how our system now is totally flawed. We have the second highest infant mortality rate of industrialized countries. It was really good, and I recommend it for anyone considering home delivery. It made me want to deliver naturally.

 

[angelatc]

WHen I was in the hospital having baby #2, I had to go with no epidural because the woman in the room next to me, who had not planned on an epidural, ripped her uterus during labor and needed emergency surgery. My OB/GYN and my anesthesiologist were both called to her room, because her OB/GYN wasn't even there yet. If she had been giving birth at home she would have died.

I'll try yo watch that movie in the next couple of days, but in the past our infant mortality rate was skewed by the fact that we try to save babies that are born severely prematurely, while other countries do not. They let the infant die, and count them as a premature births, and therefore they are not included in the infant mortality statistics for that country.

ETA: Here's a blogger that explains it better than me, but i read about the skew somewhere a few years back and it stuck with me: http://blackadderiv.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/can-a-higher-infant-mortality-rate-be-a-good-thing/

 

[Natalie]

In the movie they also show that all these women go into the hospital planning on doing a natural delivery. After being in labor 12 hours, the doctors are just like, "This is taking too long," and they give the woman Pitocin, which is a drug to induce labor. Because of the Pitocin, the contractions become even stronger and more painful, so the desperate mom-to-be gets an Epidural. The Epidural slows down the contractions again, so they have to give her more Pitocin. Then because of all the drugs, the baby goes into distress, and they have to do a C-section. Something like 1 in every 3 babies is born by C-section now. Women have delivered at home since the beginning of time. It wasn't until the early 1900s, when there was a smear campaign against midwives that women started delivering in hospitals.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Like I've said, I've lived to fight another day and I'm doing it. I'm taking on the Medical Center head on.

Good for you. Make them hurt. Their actions were completely unacceptable. It's all about money. Take your business elsewhere (if you can). If it's through your employer, maybe your employer would like to change coverage for the entire company.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Something like 1 in every 3 babies is born by C-section now. Women have delivered at home since the beginning of time.

They make more money on the C-sections, and it also covers their asses for liability lawsuits because it is considered (wrongly) to be the "best and safest" thing they can do.

 

[ceakins]

Please excuse this if it doesn't make a whole lot of sense....like I said before - I didn't sleep at all last night.

Just an update:

This is such a confusing mess....I'm not sure that it's totally resolved.

1.) I called and made an appointment at our doctor for next week as originally planned. I spoke to a nurse there who couldn't believe that this had happened. She had never heard of bringing a baby in three days after birth.

2.) I called the Doctor who delivered our baby and he thought that the whole thing was totally stupid. He said that I should go along with it to avoid any problems however.

3.) It turns out that (through some misunderstanding at the hospital) we were assigned to a different division of the same medical center that we go to. Apparently we go to a "normal" common sense branch, while the branch that got their claws into us were a more aggressive, less common sense branch. It took me quite a while to even find out who it was that had called us (let alone who had reported us.)

4.) I called CPS and left a message saying that we had resolved the problem and that an appointment was made.


It's obvious now that we irritated the woman who had originally called us about an scheduling an appointment. I speak very matter-of-factly and I don't just buckle under. I could tell that the woman that I was speaking to didn't appreciate this. I had handed over the phone to my wife who speaks in the same way. It turns out that a doctor filed the report, but the CPS lady showed up no less than an hour after the original phone call. I spoke to the manager who said that the reports are filed automatically if an appointment isn't scheduled after three days.....it was already seven days as of yesterday.

Funny thing is that the doctor who delivered our baby thought that this must be a new law that just went into effect. It turns out just to be the policy of the particular office that we were signed up for.

I tried to reason with the manager that it didn't make sense because we had told the scheduling person exactly what we were doing. I told her that there should have been some sort of acknowledgment that we were in the process and not neglecting our baby. She just kept saying the same thing about "three days".


I hope that someone can benefit from what happened to me.....I don't know what to say except to read what others have written. I sure would have made sure that I wasn't signed up for any doctor if I had it to do over again.

I wish that we could have had our baby at home.

I think that we're all in for really scary times ahead.

Thank you all again.

Tim

After you take your baby in, you should file a complaint against this doctor with the state medical licensing board, for violating patient confidentiality. And contact local news organizations about this care network. Maybe some bad publicity will get this asshat of a doctor fired.

 

[pinkmandy]

Thank you for the update, Tim. I'm glad to know your little ones are safe at home and that you're tackling this head on. I'm pretty sure I would have done similar things, CPS is nothing to mess with (how sad is that really?) but the pics would have been too much for me, too. Sadly, many parents aren't even aware of what you may be saving them from with your actions of pursuing this.

I have to wonder if parents have actually lost their children because of this doctor and what kind of hell some have went through who didn't comply w/her or just didn't know what to do.

 

[ghengis86]

Yeah, that sounds nice... but without a SS number and documents, you can't even get a job, much less go to college or anything. There's no way to get out of it. Unless you want your kids to pick lettuce for the rest of their lives.

not true; they can be self employed doing anything they want except providing services to the Federal government. And they might not be able to go to a state school or college, but they can be home schooled or sent to private schools their entire life. but with a SSN they can be stolen and killed for the state in some useless war should the state conscript them, or robbed of the furits of their labors through SS/Medicaid/Medicare taxes (even I won't get my money back, what about my son?)...

I just had a son and refused to allow the hospital to apply for a SSN with the state department of health, with no problems. When he's old enough to understand that social security is a contract and what it entails, he can make the decision to apply for one or not. I wish my parents had given me that option.

to the OP, good job and keep up the fight. The 'Don't Fuck with CPS' is good advice; they have too much power for a direct assualt. its best to deal with the violations through less confrontational methods (though there may be a time when the doesn't work either...think Waco)

 

[123tim]

Damn!

Sounds like that doctor has it in for you, for whatever weird reason. It sounds like everyone else in this chain of horrors is just "following orders" like good little minions of the State, but why in the world did the doctor come after you with the long knives? Is she old and grumpy, or is she just young and idealistic and fresh from Med school?

I think that it's just because I said "no", ignored the demands, and followed common sense. I realize now that were all going to be encountering more of this type of action in every walk of life... if we don't start standing up to it.



I managed to finally talk to the Doctor and it appears that she is quite irrational. I plan to use this to help win our case.

My only problem is that I don't want to win this for me...Don't get me wrong - I really would have liked to. It's just that it's too late for that. I would have loved to have this slammed this down in front of the people who threw it at me.


I want to win and change things so that this doesn't happen again.

I'm glad that there are still people out there like my Doctor...I have a feeling that we are going to see less and less of them.

We have to start to stand. Every little trickle of our freedom is turning into a flood of oppression.

 

[KCIndy]

I want to win and change things so that this doesn't happen again.

I'm glad that there are still people out there like my Doctor...I have a feeling that we are going to see less and less of them.

We have to start to stand. Every little trickle of our freedom is turning into a flood of oppression.

Very well said, those last three lines. You're exactly right in every regard, imho.

We're at a crossroads in this country. I believe if we don't stand up for the principles of Liberty and Freedom, and stand up NOW, those principles will be lost within a generation. The fight for the future must begin today.

Regarding the doctors - you're right. Just wait until full blown "Nationalized heath care" kicks in.

I think we're in real trouble here, my friends.