I need your help and advice quickly.

[donnay]

Thanks for all of the advice. I'm taking it all into consideration.
My mind is sort of numb right now.

We did go the midwife route the first time but our first baby was too big.
We had to go C-section both times.

I will be calling our doctor first thing tomorrow.

I would also advise that your all go stay with some relatives until you have the doctor call off the dogs.

Remember there is NO law (in any state) that says you have to vaccinate your child! You have a right to waiver any vaccines.

 

[Dr.3D]

I would also advise that your all go stay with some relatives until you have the doctor call off the dogs.

Remember there is NO law (in any state) that says you have to vaccinate your child! You have a right to waiver any vaccines.

Sage advise.

 

[Dianne]

I did have a home delivery with a midwife (illegal of course). But then, you must go to the department of health to get a birth certificate for the baby. Without the birth certificate and ss number, your baby can't go to school, etc. The federal government pretty much got us every way we wish to turn.

The innoculation crap.... cases of autism are skyrocketing. Our government tells us our kids must have these shots in order to attend school; but at the same time they allow 10 to 20 million illegals in this country, that have no innoculations whatsoever....nor could the government care. What are they inserting into the shots they force our kids to get.... steralization ?

If I had it to do all over again, I would home birth all my children....home school my children and never get "numbers" for them..... then live happily ever after.

I would never again allow our "Heil Hitler" Congress and Executive Branch control over my life. But too late, I am in their radar as you are. They will never let us go as long as we have one red cent left to give to their sinister dictatorship.

 

[asimplegirl]

I am sorry that this is happening to you- please keep us updated.

 

[123tim]

I am sorry that this is happening to you- please keep us updated.

Trying to call the doctor this morning to get this straightened out. It's too early apparently, but I'm going to keep trying.

I didn't sleep at all last night. Couldn't stop thinking about the ramifications of all of this.

Thanks for all of the support and advice. I've carefully read each post and greatly appreciate all of the input.

 

[asimplegirl]

I got really worried with CPS a few weeks ago, also, but once I was nice and just complied and didn't do anything odd, and didn't do anything I felt I shouldn't they went away. Nothing came of it...in fact CPS worker ran his mouth about good things about us.

Don't worry so much, try to fix it...Kids pick up on stress and that lowers their immunity.

Just be a good dad and get it fixed.

 

[sailor]

Good luck.

 

[MPN]

Buy a home video camera, have it ready if she returns.

Eliminate the posibilities of hearsay.

 

[Working Poor]

(((((123tim and family)))))))

thinking of you and keeping you in my thoughts and prayers

 

[Kraig]

Funny thing is how badly CPS even works. My friends ex parties all the time and won't come home until as late as 3 pm the next day leaving his daughter at home with the senile grandma and nothing to eat. His daughter will call him when this happens begging him to come pick her up, if he does they can and will arrest him because it's not on his set days to have custody. So to counter he has tried to call CPS a few times when this has happened so they will go investigate the situation and eventually give him custody of his kid, but they won't do that either. The kid is just a piece of property that the state gets to decide the fate of.

 

[123tim]

Please excuse this if it doesn't make a whole lot of sense....like I said before - I didn't sleep at all last night.

Just an update:

This is such a confusing mess....I'm not sure that it's totally resolved.

1.) I called and made an appointment at our doctor for next week as originally planned. I spoke to a nurse there who couldn't believe that this had happened. She had never heard of bringing a baby in three days after birth.

2.) I called the Doctor who delivered our baby and he thought that the whole thing was totally stupid. He said that I should go along with it to avoid any problems however.

3.) It turns out that (through some misunderstanding at the hospital) we were assigned to a different division of the same medical center that we go to. Apparently we go to a "normal" common sense branch, while the branch that got their claws into us were a more aggressive, less common sense branch. It took me quite a while to even find out who it was that had called us (let alone who had reported us.)

4.) I called CPS and left a message saying that we had resolved the problem and that an appointment was made.


It's obvious now that we irritated the woman who had originally called us about an scheduling an appointment. I speak very matter-of-factly and I don't just buckle under. I could tell that the woman that I was speaking to didn't appreciate this. I had handed over the phone to my wife who speaks in the same way. It turns out that a doctor filed the report, but the CPS lady showed up no less than an hour after the original phone call. I spoke to the manager who said that the reports are filed automatically if an appointment isn't scheduled after three days.....it was already seven days as of yesterday.

Funny thing is that the doctor who delivered our baby thought that this must be a new law that just went into effect. It turns out just to be the policy of the particular office that we were signed up for.

I tried to reason with the manager that it didn't make sense because we had told the scheduling person exactly what we were doing. I told her that there should have been some sort of acknowledgment that we were in the process and not neglecting our baby. She just kept saying the same thing about "three days".


I hope that someone can benefit from what happened to me.....I don't know what to say except to read what others have written. I sure would have made sure that I wasn't signed up for any doctor if I had it to do over again.

I wish that we could have had our baby at home.

I think that we're all in for really scary times ahead.

Thank you all again.

Tim

 

[Mortikhi]

I told my wife that as soon as someone on my front porch identifies themselves as a CPS employee, they won't be returning home to their family.

I've heard "they're just doing their job" from all sorts of people about all sorts of jobs. I do not buy into that anymore. If you're helping the system, then you are the system and will be dealth with accordingly

 

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

When you sign a marriage certificate, you are merging "your" corporation with your spouse's and forming a new corporation. As we all know, a corporation is basically a trust with the state as one of the trustees. As a trustee, the state has a claim to any of the products of the corporation--namely the children. It was your marriage license that enslaved your children.

My advice would be to legally dissolve the marriage and draw up a new contract which excludes the state all together. This will probably not help your current situation much, but any future children will be legally as well as lawfully free of the tyranny of the state.

 

[asimplegirl]

Funny thing is how badly CPS even works. My friends ex parties all the time and won't come home until as late as 3 pm the next day leaving his daughter at home with the senile grandma and nothing to eat. His daughter will call him when this happens begging him to come pick her up, if he does they can and will arrest him because it's not on his set days to have custody. So to counter he has tried to call CPS a few times when this has happened so they will go investigate the situation and eventually give him custody of his kid, but they won't do that either. The kid is just a piece of property that the state gets to decide the fate of.

Exactly...we have the same issue with the ex...nothing has come of it, though...WE have had them visit us, though....and then say they didn't know why they were even there because there was nothing wrong with us. LOL. Even they see it.

 

[PaulaGem]

1) Always use the "may I speak to your supervisor" trick.

2) Keep a diary, get and list witnesses in your diary too. Make sure you can PROVE you are taking care of your child in a court of law if necessary.

3) See if your doctor can inquire as to why his patient's records were passed around to someone else for a medical decision.

This wasn't right and maybe you can save someone else from having the same problem. It seems to me there was a breach of patient record confidentiality here... Who released your medical records to CPS and what was their authorization to do so? A routine "policy" that gives out personal information is in violation of medical confidentiality laws.

Is this a public clinic, or is there some other reason for this policy? Where do you live, just curious.

 

[pappy]

unfortunately all the doc needs is a "suspicion of neglect or abuse" in most places. a very vague and subjective term is all that is needed to breach your medical confidentiality. I only trust doctors so far with my info and I am one (i wouldn't trust me either):-(

Not near as bad, but when my first was born they were refusing to let us leave the hospital if we didn't have a name. in spite of the fact that in our state you had by law 7 days to file on the birth certificate. they tried to hassle us but I knew the law and let them know I did. we got to go home after much trouble. These people are just cogs in the machine and will grind you to pieces if you're not careful.

pappy

 

[donnay]

When you sign a marriage certificate, you are merging "your" corporation with your spouse's and forming a new corporation. As we all know, a corporation is basically a trust with the state as one of the trustees. As a trustee, the state has a claim to any of the products of the corporation--namely the children. It was your marriage license that enslaved your children.

My advice would be to legally dissolve the marriage and draw up a new contract which excludes the state all together. This will probably not help your current situation much, but any future children will be legally as well as lawfully free of the tyranny of the state.

That's sage advice!

 

[Kraig]

Exactly...we have the same issue with the ex...nothing has come of it, though...WE have had them visit us, though....and then say they didn't know why they were even there because there was nothing wrong with us. LOL. Even they see it.

It makes me sick to see it happen to him I am sorry it is happening to you. The state of Texas in all it's wisdom decided she was the better parent, assuming just because she's the mom because there is no other reason. She hasn't held a regular job in years, and her car is always broken down or she's not home to take the daughter to school, you might be thinking why doesn't the kid take the bus? The mother lost her home and moved in with the grandma but they didn't inform the school so the kid goes to the wrong district or whatever they are called. My friend goes out of his way to take her to school most of the time because the mother does not have the means or the responsible nature to do it, and then to make it worse they take money out of his check to give her child support. WTF is that money for if she can't even provide basic transportation? Then on top of that when he gets custody every other weekend he usually spends the weekend buying clothes for the kid because the mother won't do it, once again WTF is the money taken from him for? Why would you award custody when the parent has no financial means to take care of the kid?

I could go on and on and on about this, it makes me furious! I hate CPS.

 

[123tim]

Just an update...

Without disclosing too much information about myself or my situation, I just want to let you know a couple of things:

1.) We saw our Doctor last week.He was totally cool about this whole thing. He's helping us get this straightened out. He got us in touch with the right people at the other wing of his department who also seem concerned and want to help us out.

2.) I found out the name of the Doctor who turned us in.

3.) C.P.S. still want's to see our son even though he was seen by our Doctor and got a clean bill of health. ( We also found out that he scored just about as high as possible on the Apgar test at the Hospital.) The CPS woman seems reasonable, except for wanting to confirm that the baby is healthy regardless of the Doctor saying that he was. (I'm aware of warnings that others have given about this.)

3.) Our son is as healthy as any baby ever born. The doctor said that there was no reason to subject him to any doctors visit three days after he was born. He said that it was better to keep healthy babies at home for the first couple of weeks after birth. (I didn't need anyone to tell me this, but it was still good to hear the conformation from a rational, sane person.)

The Saga continues....

 

[Carole]

This seems very strange. When I had my children, the doctor suggested first pediatric visits at about six weeks. I then scheduled those approximate six week appointments for my children.

Why does a baby only just born need to see a doctor at only one week of age unless there are extenuating health circumstances?

What business is it of the hospital to bully a patient into such an early appointment?

Newborn babies are generally immune to many things for the first six weeks, but I would not want to unnecessarily take it to an office full of possibly sick babies at so young an age.

This all seems very intrusive.