I need your help and advice quickly.

123tim

123tim

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This is sort of long....would you please mind reading to help me out? We've had a visit by child services because we haven't made a doctors appointment for our newborn baby and we need your advice.

The story:

Last Thursday we had our second baby (a boy).

Things went very well and we requested that we leave the next day after the delivery which we did.

The baby is very healthy, just like our first, and we planned to schedule a checkup for him next week.

I was surprised to find a recording on our answering machine the day that we came home saying that we had to schedule an appointment for that Monday (three days after birth!) We didn't go because we felt that the baby was healthy and it would be worse to take him an hour away in the rain to a doctors office contaminated with sickness (we're having an R.S.V. outbreak here.)

Today we had a phone call from a very pushy (Nurse?) who asked when we were going to schedule a follow up visit. She was speechless when we told her that the baby was healthy and that we would schedule an appointment at our convenience (next week) when we felt that the baby was ready. We were very polite (we always are) but firm and the nurse was obviously irritated.

About two hours later we had a woman from child services come to our door who asked to see the baby. My wife said that she couldn't because the baby was upstairs sleeping. My wife then asked her what authority she was acting upon. She said that she didn't know and that she would go back to work to check. She then said that she would send us an email to us stating what she found. She also said that she might have to get a court order to see the baby. The Child Services woman said that we could Google "Child protective services" and "Law" to find out what our rights were.

Does anyone have any advice on where we stand on this? I greatly need your help and advice.

Thank you in advance.
 
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Get in touch with the doctor directly. Be persistent. Tell him you are good parents and don't appreciate being hasseled by the nurse.

Go to the clinic directly and demand to see him. Be nice but firm. Explain to him your reasoning for not coming in so soon. Ask if he is the one pushing for this or is his nurse just being agressive. if he is pushing this tell him you are getting another doctor and want copies of all of your medical records (this will cost you). Do you have a good relationship with the doc? has he been a stickler about these things before? ask what his reasoning for reporting is.

If you find trouble reaching them, contact your OB and see if they can help out. Maybe they will go to bat for you with the other doc.

This could very well be an agressive office person, not necessarily carrying out the wishes of the doc. if so, fix it with him. if not get the hell out of his practice and explain you will tell everyone you know about him.

if your state is agressive with this kind of thing it may be best to just bring the kid in and live to fight another day. if the state is agressive just do what they say, they can make you sorry, if your state is full of bedwetters. just keep your child safe then move.

pappy

i am a pediatrician and have dealt with these things. if you cannot straighten it out with the doc quickly, just bring the baby in. it sucks but is not worth losing your kid over (not trying to scare too much-- just talking with the doc will probably straighten things up). those child protective people are stupid fuckers and I would do anything to avoid their grasp (they are usually stupid and ruthless--not a good combination).

try to get ahold of the doc today. i know its late, but be persistent.
 
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I've got only one piece of advice, which you won't be able to use in this situation but will be of immense value to you if you want to avoid the same situation in the future:

Home birth is safe, pleasant, and conducive to your privacy. No blood samples, no automatic entering into "the system"....Heck, I imagine most homebirthed babies (unless they chose otherwise) are further off-the-grid than at least 4/5 of the population!

My mom gave birth to my little sister at home, and it was one of the most pleasant experiences she's ever had. As a nine-year-old kid, I got to watch the birth (quite an amazing thing to behold), and the whole day was a warm, relaxed "family event" instead of a rushed, chaotic, drug-addled tangle with the Medical Insdustrial Complex.
 
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okay reason number 4,999 for me to go with a midwife.... all this stuff is scaring me now, it wasn't like this when i had my daughter 7 years ago.

Im sorry your going through this CPS can be brutal, and you really don't want to piss them off too much.

i would certainly try to talk to the doctor first and foremost. explain how the situation was handled by the person that called you. and as soon as you get all this cleared up, switch to a small town doctor that is close to you.
I would not bring that baby back to the doctors office that did this, if it had been several months old and you still hadn't made an appointment that might be one thing, but a couple weeks? this is ridiculous, do parents not have any say about the health and education of their children anymore UGH!
 
Is it possible that the doctor who reported you to CPS could be sued for a breech of Patient-Doctor Confidentiality?
 
This is horrible, and I am so deeply pissed off that instead of enjoying your new baby for the first weeks of his life, you are now stressed out and afraid.

Doctors need to step up to the plate with this and start combating these so called 'services.' Any good OB/GYN, pediatrician and general doctor knows nature above all takes its course and that there is absolutely no reason for a HEALTHY baby to be brought into an UNHEALTHY environment where bacteria and virus' are.

Please, anyone who is expecting or trying for a child, or knows anyone who is, look into home-birth.

Pappy gave great advice.
 
Kludge said:
Do not fuck around with CPS.

Do not fuck around with CPS.
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One more piece of advice, the safety and prudence of which you yourself will want to decide: Call every liberty-oriented news and activism network you're aware of, from Free Talk Live and the Alex Jones Show to your local Ron Paul Meetup friends so that if these jackboots actually have the balls to take this thing to the next level, you'll have so much light on you that it'll be very clear which party was in the wrong here.
 
Danke said:
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Seriously, though. The CPS actively looks for anything that might help in a case to label parents as unfit, including hostility toward a government agency which is to check if parents are fit for parenting.

I've watched them take children away from parents who did nothing wrong except to perhaps be over-protective.
 
Video Diary
What When Where Who

Hide dvd copies.

Use it for You Tube if needed
To show HOW scary the system is.
 
Thanks for all of the advice. I'm taking it all into consideration.
My mind is sort of numb right now.

We did go the midwife route the first time but our first baby was too big.
We had to go C-section both times.

I will be calling our doctor first thing tomorrow.
 
RUN dude. take the baby and run. They are trying to steal your kid. They do this all the time.

All governments of the world are controlled by Satan. They exist to push Satan's agenda and to serve him.
 
I often wonder if the CPS people have ever witnessed what a mother bear or lion or most any animal does when somebody tries to run off with it's cub. I think I would be very afraid to be a CPS person.
 
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