JosephTheLibertarian
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Well, I don't think Bob is a good speaker
I met Bob Barr yesterday.....
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he sounds ok but that doesn't mean i believe him. it's just so convinent to say all that yet not give RP any credit or lip service
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He was on Cavuto today.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yO-6WzKDVGw
All the negative talk about Barr is really unfair. If want to fade out and be a small footnote in history go ahead and write in Dr. Paul and go around bashing Barr.
We need to get real. Depending on what Barr says in the coming weeks, it will be now or never. It is possible to support Barr and continue trying to get Dr. Paul elected. It brings light to our issues that we will be fighting for in Sept at the convention.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yO-6WzKDVGw
All the negative talk about Barr is really unfair. If want to fade out and be a small footnote in history go ahead and write in Dr. Paul and go around bashing Barr.
We need to get real. Depending on what Barr says in the coming weeks, it will be now or never. It is possible to support Barr and continue trying to get Dr. Paul elected. It brings light to our issues that we will be fighting for in Sept at the convention.
this is a joke. he's just ignoring Ron Paul like everyone else. "nobody's talking about this stuff or debating it." it's a classic squeez and I aint down.
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I'm not a Republican or Libertarian or Constitutionalist or ANYTHING. But I do believe is certain core ideals and civil liberties. Many people (not saying you Rhys) want to wait until the PERFECT candidate comes along and ONLY support that person and no other. They'll be waiting for awhile, even Ron Paul isn't perfect.
Not only can one person NOT fix this country alone, but by narrowing the thinking that much, it virtually assures that no steps are ever made towards the end goal.
Some people are so darn stubborn in their views that they'd rather sit uncompromisingly with their hands folded than participate in taking small steps needed to make REAL change.
I'm not saying I'm going to support Barr or that he is the perfect candidate. I haven't made up my mind yet and I think things need to play out over the next few months.... but I will support SOMEONE that is actually RUNNING in the darn General Election. Am I suppose to NOT vote?
I CAN'T write in anyone in my district and even if I could, why not write in some Freedom loving person that no one knows? Hell, I could write in my own name. It would serve the same purpose and would be equally useless.
Maybe there will be another candidate that is better aligned with my views than Barr by the time the General Election comes around, but if I had to choose between voting for McCain, Obama, Hilary, and Barr... you had better believe that I'll be voting for Barr.
Is this forum really about a cult Ron Paul following or is it about the Message of Freedom?
no, it's about setting up the framework and organization needed to elect Ron Paul Republicans everywhere. It's not about voting for Ron Paul. It's about getting other people to vote for Ron Paul. Bob Barr is a left turn going to nowheresville. That's probably too why he's been propped up to run.
If Barr beats the margins in the general elections, and sends the Republicans a message that they can't win without the libertarian vote, it'll do more for this country than 1,000 Ron Paul's would ever do.
Honestly, has Ron Paul accomplished anything in his 10 terms in Congress other than a spectacular voting record? Paul had a chance to do what Barr could do, but settled for a longshot chance at a speech at the RNC, and is sitting on top of $5 million of people's hard-earned money that he has yet to use, or shown any plans in using.
It wouldn't half surprise me if he turned over that $5 million to the RNC for an exchange of time to make a speech.
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Some of you are the most stubborn purist in the world.
"OMG OMG HE DIDN'T SAY RON PAUL!"
Mathematically, Paul is not in the race. Get used to it. Paul will not be the GOP nominee. Stop crying.
You can't live life being "Ron Paul or no one!" or, as it seems to be, "Ron Paul or someone who gives Ron Paul props every 2 seconds!"
Seriously, people are looking at his issues and saying, "HEY MAN WHY NO PROPS TO PAUL! THAT'S ALL PAUL BABY!" Wtf kind of person do you think he is? He just magically learned everything from Paul? Should Paul write next to his issues "Props to X, Y, and Z. Currently I know all I know from Lew Rockwell, so props to him." This ain't no rodeo, this is a campaign.
Some of you guys are unbelievable.
"OMG OMG HE DIDN'T SAY RON PAUL!"
Mathematically, Paul is not in the race. Get used to it. Paul will not be the GOP nominee. Stop crying.
You can't live life being "Ron Paul or no one!" or, as it seems to be, "Ron Paul or someone who gives Ron Paul props every 2 seconds!"
Seriously, people are looking at his issues and saying, "HEY MAN WHY NO PROPS TO PAUL! THAT'S ALL PAUL BABY!" Wtf kind of person do you think he is? He just magically learned everything from Paul? Should Paul write next to his issues "Props to X, Y, and Z. Currently I know all I know from Lew Rockwell, so props to him." This ain't no rodeo, this is a campaign.
Some of you guys are unbelievable.
Yes that's why I don't understand the bashing here. We're not allowed to like both candidates? Just because you vote 3rd party in the general doesn't mean you have to leave the Republican party or leave the Ron Paul revolution.
Support Ron Paul and then once the convention is over go out in November and if Barr is the nominee vote for him.
For that matter vote for any Libertarian candidate since Ron Paul won't be an option.
Note writing his name in doesn't even "send a message" because they won't count those votes unless there are enough of them to make a dent and since there won't be it will never get reported by the media anyway.
If Bob Barr gets 5% or more that WILL be reported. It's a big deal.
Disclaimer: Just for the record if I HAD to pick between them I'd choose Ron Paul over Bob Barr because Paul has a better voting record. The point here is that we don't have to choose and as far as I'm concerned Paul's campaign is basically over and officially ends at the convention. I choose to support someone beyond that.
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We can't get someone to vote for a guy that doesn't run and isn't on the ballot in the General election. This isn't and never has been about Ron Paul (he says this himself yet people fail to listen to him).
People who cling to Ron Paul and not his MESSAGE are falling into the same trap of loyalty to a Party or to a Candidate rather than ideals. This is the single largest problem the country faces. It is THAT mentality that is at the root of it all.
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I don't support Barr for the following reasons:
-He doesn't have the record to back up what he says. I tore Romney apart for flip-flopping, and I won't ignore Barr's similar actions just because I agree with what he says now. He strikes me as thoroughly insincere.
-Despite being passionately libertarian, I do not support the LP. It's a waste of time. It is essentially a think tank full of bickerers that want to run for President, which calls itself a political party.
-From the three personal acquaintances of mine who have met him, the unanimous opinion is that he is just unpleasant to be around.
-He doesn't have the record to back up what he says. I tore Romney apart for flip-flopping, and I won't ignore Barr's similar actions just because I agree with what he says now. He strikes me as thoroughly insincere.
-Despite being passionately libertarian, I do not support the LP. It's a waste of time. It is essentially a think tank full of bickerers that want to run for President, which calls itself a political party.
-From the three personal acquaintances of mine who have met him, the unanimous opinion is that he is just unpleasant to be around.
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I have to ask what is flip flopping and what is genuinely changing your mind? When someone flip flops its generally to get more votes. He would have an easier time running as a Republican for president with his old views then as a Libertarian with his current views.
What are you going to do write in Ron Paul? (not that I have a problem with that) They don't even count those votes. You don't have to support the LP, just the candidate if you like him/her.
Yes! How dare he ask for anyone to vote for him instead of a candidate who won't even be on the ballot and will have less of a chance of winning than even him! How dare he talk to voters at all!
You know that's what candidates do right?? They ask people to....vote for them....instead of the other candidates........?? Yeah it's called "running for office."I'm not sure if I'll be voting for Barr, but I won't be writing in anyone. I supported Ron Paul not because of the man but because of the message. I have loyalty to liberty, not to Ron Paul. I'll vote for the best candidate with the best chance of winning.
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I don't think we can take over statess. I think we can take over a state if we work really hard at it.
I dunno. I'll keep working on my state for now. I haven't given up on the Republic. The president of the union can only do so much, and the congress can only do so much more... and for proof look at Montana's governor saying f-u to the federal government.
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If Ron Paul doesn't win the nomination, I would urge everyone to vote for Obama.
For anyone to believe that McCain is better than Obama, you are just not very studied on the two. If McCain wins, we send this country to WW3 without a doubt. And i don't believe America will win that war. The world is itching to put the USA in it's place, and McCain provocative attitude will only encourage them to do it. If Russia and China want to attack the US together, along with most of the middle east, I don't see the USA winning.
Obama is a socialist, yes, but 4 years of heading towards socialism is more preferred than McCains Armageddon.
TIM RUSSERT: So we could have two wars at once?
SEN. McCAIN: I think we could have Armageddon.
- John McCain, on the Iran crisis. April 2nd 2006, on Meet The Press.
For anyone to believe that McCain is better than Obama, you are just not very studied on the two. If McCain wins, we send this country to WW3 without a doubt. And i don't believe America will win that war. The world is itching to put the USA in it's place, and McCain provocative attitude will only encourage them to do it. If Russia and China want to attack the US together, along with most of the middle east, I don't see the USA winning.
Obama is a socialist, yes, but 4 years of heading towards socialism is more preferred than McCains Armageddon.
TIM RUSSERT: So we could have two wars at once?
SEN. McCAIN: I think we could have Armageddon.
- John McCain, on the Iran crisis. April 2nd 2006, on Meet The Press.
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