I mean not to cause confusion or division, but...

The fact that Popular Liberty has a "420" subsection instantly repulses me. Should tell you every thing you need to know about the sort of people that hang out over there.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
The fact that Popular Liberty has a "420" subsection instantly repulses me. Should tell you every thing you need to know about the sort of people that hang out over there.
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I got into a couple of epic flame wars over there with some users that can be best described as progressive kooks who like low taxes. When they changed over from The Daily Paul to Popular Liberty my membership was not renewed due to some of the fallout from several of those fights, though one in particular about abortion got extremely heated and turned into a massive drama. My principle complaint about them is that Michael Nystrom seems more interested in being a Lew Rockwell clone and being hostile to anyone with a divergence from a rigid, anarchistic approach to things, to the point where I think he has alienated some of the older guard that used to frequent that forum.

Even if my membership wasn't renewed, I don't feel a great urge to go back there.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
The fact that Popular Liberty has a "420" subsection instantly repulses me. Should tell you every thing you need to know about the sort of people that hang out over there.
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Pot culture is kind of a caricature and a bit silly but fighting for the decriminalization of marijuana (and in my opinion, all other drugs) is a noble and thing to do and ought to be the default position for anyone who considers themselves a liberty lover.
 
carlton said:
Pot culture is kind of a caricature and a bit silly but fighting for the decriminalization of marijuana (and in my opinion, all other drugs) is a noble and thing to do and ought to be the default position for anyone who considers themselves a liberty lover.
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I don't disagree with the principle, especially considering how many resources are wasted trying to forcefully keep people from using rather than dealing with the problem rationally, but many people whom I have spoken to over there in the past came across as though they were high while talking to me. It was a bit off-putting.
 
hells_unicorn said:
I don't disagree with the principle, especially considering how many resources are wasted trying to forcefully keep people from using rather than dealing with the problem rationally, but many people whom I have spoken to over there in the past came across as though they were high while talking to me. It was a bit off-putting.
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Up to three years ago I was high everyday (for 10 years to that point). Mind you, I was running the local paper at the time and really the mind numbing aspects had long passed by then. I have been pot free for the past three years but do look forward to smoking again someday... just not on ridiculous level I was at the time. Just like the population in general... a lot of stoners are really dumb... but some are simply brilliant.
 
Alright, Barrex makes some pretty good points. I know when I helped out on money bombs like black this out, we had plenty of time to do everything the right way. Also, I had not realized that work already started on a website and other promotional tools. It seems it would be best to continue with the 17th then and hope others follow with it. Maybe Rand will have a good debate performance, which would really set the money bomb off.
 
hells_unicorn said:
I don't disagree with the principle, especially considering how many resources are wasted trying to forcefully keep people from using rather than dealing with the problem rationally, but many people whom I have spoken to over there in the past came across as though they were high while talking to me. It was a bit off-putting.
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That sounds like something you need to work on.
 
Make it a bet.

Set an over under amount for the 7 th. If it gets over that amount the 17 th folks have to give double on the 7th. Off it doesn't get over that amount,the 7th folks have to give on the 17th as well.
 
It doesn't matter. We needed the money bombs in 2007 to force Ron Paul into the debates since they were trying to ignore him. They're pointless at this point. They're not reported on anyway. Just give what you can when you can and skip the drama.
 
RonPaulGeorge&Ringo said:
It doesn't matter. We needed the money bombs in 2007 to force Ron Paul into the debates since they were trying to ignore him. They're pointless at this point. They're not reported on anyway. Just give what you can when you can and skip the drama.
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If everyone were already going to donate anyways, I agree.

But running a large, well promoted money bomb that is adopted by the campaign will draw in people that wouldn't have gone to the donation page on their own and given money. You're calling out across the internet, bringing people in, and creating an environment where donating makes them feel like part of a group effort. It's not just you alone deciding to donate on a Tuesday night, it's an event. You become part of a team.

There is something extra to the experience when your donation gets added to the big ticker on the campaign's website, and you see your name come across. That's going to help encourage someone that would not have given on their own to donate even a small amount. And maybe someone that was going to donate gives a little extra because they want to help reach $1 million before the day is over.

At least it worked on me. The first time I donated to Ron was because I saw a money bomb. All these people had put in so much time and effort organizing and promoting, everyone had changed their profile pictures, and all the supporters were posting their screenshots and receipts. It fired me up. How could I just sit back and watch and not give something to help reach the goal?

I think I donated $20. Not much, but I had never given to a candidate before and I don't know if I would have without that. But after that I was hooked... and now I'm here trying to make this money bomb be that first donation for someone else.
 
There was a vote and the 17th one. Additionally, it provides the time needed to get things done correctly.

I will give on the 17th.
 
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