oh.. I am with you. I had a discussion with some punk on youtube... and he "just wans't getting it" -- its like they drank the magic juice and they are "neo-combies" (neo-con + zombies) hahahha.. I coined that myself, thank you!!!
But just like on the right, you have the same thing on the left... weird marxists/socialists that believe in a complete nanny government. It is SO WEIRD to me!
Anways, no matter what you say its like you are hitting a brick wall. Even if they concede that the News is wrong, they STILL will think they are right -- yeah, it truly is mind control.....
Its almost like if you MAKE THEM watch and read books like the NAU/Federal Reserve etc... then they start to get a glimmer of hope....
I think all you can do is say "watch these vids, read these books"... and just see if they do it...