I hope the people of Hong Kong will stand up for Edward Snowden

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Hong Kong has a long tradition of political freedom. Witness the tradition of an annual vigil for Tianamen Square:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/06/04/china-tiananmen-square-anniversary.html

Unfortunately, Hong Kong is a semi autonomous region and the Chinese government has increasingly had a hand in the government in a back handed way even though it was supposed to have a 50 year period of independence... But hopefully, the folks in Hong Kong will step up for this "gweilo" (yeah, I know, some people may not like this term) and prevent extradition back to the U.S. on any criminal charges. It can be done if enough people in Hong Kong stand up, but I believe it's going to be an uphill fight.
 
From the look of things, people around the world are stepping over themselves to do that. While he will have some powerful distractors, he will also have many supporters.
 
China's influence probably helps him more than hurts him. US bitches all the time about China persecuting political dissidents. They probably relish the PR opportunity of protecting a political dissident from the West. Worst case scenario he can always offer to "consult" for the Chinese Gov in exchange for asylum. Might be some sort of arrangement like that in place already in fact.
 
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The people in Hong Kong don't seem to know that he is there. Largely, PRISM isn't even in the local news.

There is a media blackout.

-t
 
Unlikely because the people have nothing to do with it. Remember they don't have weapons, and without modern weapons all that is left is... verbal protests?

Hey, you, don't rape her, because it will make me unhappy if you do.

What am I going to do about it? Voice my displeasure, bitch, yeah DISPLEASURE!!
 
Unlikely because the people have nothing to do with it. Remember they don't have weapons, and without modern weapons all that is left is... verbal protests?

Hey, you, don't rape her, because it will make me unhappy if you do.

What am I going to do about it? Voice my displeasure, bitch, yeah DISPLEASURE!!

That's partially true. However, there is much that can be done, even without having access to weapons...
 
I keep stumbling when I read the headline.

"I hope the people of Hong Kong will stand up for Edward Snowden"



Maybe it would read better?;

I hope the people of Hong Kong will stand up with Edward Snowden
 
According to this article...Hong Kong is a pit stop.

The whistleblower who brought to light the secret U.S. surveillance program—collecting telephone data from millions of American citizens and Internet data from foreigners—has come forward. The Guardian and Washington Post revealed on Sunday that Edward Snowden was their source for the massive leak U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) data. “I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong,” he told the Guardian.
Here are 10 things we know about Snowden so far:

1. He is 29 years old and grew up in Elizabeth City, North Carolina. He later moved to Maryland with his family, according to The Guardian, near NSA headquarters. Most recently, he lived in Hawaii with his girlfriend.
2. Snowden works for Booz Allen Hamilton, a major American security contractor, as an infrastructure analyst for the NSA. In a brief statement with regards to the leaked files, the company wrote:
Booz Allen can confirm that Edward Snowden, 29, has been an employee of our firm for less than 3 months, assigned to a team in Hawaii. News reports that this individual has claimed to have leaked classified information are shocking, and if accurate, this action represents a grave violation of the code of conduct and core values of our firm. We will work closely with our clients and authorities in their investigation of this matter.
3. His was making a salary of roughly $200,000, according to various reports.
4. He is a former technical officer with the CIA, according to the Guardian. He also previously worked with Dell Inc.
5. He told the Washington Post that he does not have a high school diploma, but reports say he earned a GED.
6. He said he had “full access to the full rosters of everyone working at the NSA, the entire intelligence community, and undercover assets all around the world.”
7. According to the Atlantic, Snowden tried to join the U.S. Army Special Forces.
8. He didn’t vote for Obama in 2008. (He didn’t vote for John McCain either.) He told the Guardian he voted for a third party, but didn’t say which one.
9. According to Campaignmoney.com, an Edward Snowden donated $500 to Ron Paul’s presidential bid in 2012. Ron Paul is a staunch libertarian who lost the nomination of the Republican Party in favour of Mitt Romney.


10. Snowden is seeking asylum, ideally in Iceland, but is now staying in Hong Kong. He is hoping to avoid extradition to the United States. In an interview over the course of several days with The Guardian, he said: “I think it is really tragic that an American has to move to a place that has a reputation for less freedom. Still, Hong Kong has a reputation for freedom in spite of the People’s Republic of China. It has a strong tradition of free speech.” http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/06/09/10-things-we-know-about-nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden/
 
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It's not getting too much attention here yet.

I mentioned in an earlier thread, he was better off in China. IT's too late to go there now. He needs to apply for a Visa and needs to get to the border and be accepted to cross.

It's way too late for that now. HK is visa on arrival 90 days. I think the better plan would have been do the interview in HK after his Visa to China was completed (only takes a couple days), then cross the border after the interview. Too late. Although it's anybody's guess how he would have been treated there, that's a crap shoot.

Hong Kong will be civil and treat him nicely, but they are pretty chummy with USA, so I'm not sure he will have much luck out here.
 
Snowden needs to get on the next train to mainland China if he values not living in a cage the rest of his life.

There is an extradition treaty between the US and Hong Kong, but NOT one between the US and China.

If he goes to China he can buy time and apply for asylum to another country, stay in China, or travel to another country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US.
 
Yeah, okay, like whining?

Not everything requires you to have a gun immediately available to you in order to accomplish change. There have been many worldwide movements where average citizens didn't have ready access to weapons yet still accomplished much.

Obviously, it's doubtful that Hong Kong natives will do much for a person whose actions don't directly affect them. It would be difficult for me to imagine that thousands of people would protest in support of Snowden, but I could be proven wrong. That would at least apply some pressure on the HK legislative council and Leung to do something or make it more difficult for the extradition to go through.
 
It's not getting too much attention here yet.

I mentioned in an earlier thread, he was better off in China. IT's too late to go there now. He needs to apply for a Visa and needs to get to the border and be accepted to cross.

It's way too late for that now. HK is visa on arrival 90 days. I think the better plan would have been do the interview in HK after his Visa to China was completed (only takes a couple days), then cross the border after the interview. Too late. Although it's anybody's guess how he would have been treated there, that's a crap shoot.

Hong Kong will be civil and treat him nicely, but they are pretty chummy with USA, so I'm not sure he will have much luck out here.

Who's to say he hasn't left HK already? He could have stipulated that the article be published after he's safe. But who knows...he could be in Guantanamo right now for all we know.

And of course everything Glenn does, says and e-mails is getting extra special attention, ironically - or then again maybe tragically - by the same programs he's blowing the lid on.

Craziness
 
Hmm, seems like Macau does not have an extradition treaty with the U.S. That could be an option, especially because of its proximity to Hong Kong and Macau has autonomy similar to Hong Kong... Unfortunately, if he's still in Hong Kong, it'll probably be too late for him to go to Macau as the authorities, both U.S. and HK/Chinese, know where he is and it would be difficult for him to jump on a ship to Macau.
 
Hmm, seems like Macau does not have an extradition treaty with the U.S. That could be an option, especially because of its proximity to Hong Kong and Macau has autonomy similar to Hong Kong... Unfortunately, if he's still in Hong Kong, it'll probably be too late for him to go to Macau as the authorities, both U.S. and HK/Chinese, know where he is and it would be difficult for him to jump on a ship to Macau.

Yes, Macau is a 1 hour ferry ride, also Visa on arrival, but too late for that.

I'm thinking maybe he didn't want to be a bargaining chip for China and handed over so easily.

It would have been super easy to be in China within an hour of doing that interview in Hong Kong (had he already done his visa a few days before). There's plenty of shady spots he could have holed himself in if that's what he wanted, but it seems he's not looking to hide.


As someone else mentioned, he could be in China right now for all we know, but his comments about NOT wanting to hide, make it sound like he's waiting out to see what the HK government is going to do. It seems this was a deliberate move.
 
Wherever he goes he is a dead man and he should know that. He made the right move, but don't think for a second that they won't make an example out of him, they have to because they have many employees they must keep in line or there could be much bigger revelations than what he has revealed. He's a hero, but barring divine intervention, he won't live long.
 
Wherever he goes he is a dead man and he should know that. He made the right move, but don't think for a second that they won't make an example out of him, they have to because they have many employees they must keep in line or there could be much bigger revelations than what this man has revealed. He's a hero, but barring divine intervention, he won't live long.

Oh for sure. All the other people who are working in security that are seeing things daily that are making them sick and want them to shout out and inform the people....are watching what's happening to Snowden.

They will make such an example of Snowden that all the other people will be compelled to close their mouths forever.

And then they will do their best to delete him from memory and scrub his digital existence online.
 
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