I guess Jimmy Carter is "anti-semitic" now

[CountryboyRonPaul]

There are also Muslim lobbys, African lobbys,....etc. You questioning their loyalty? I'm pro-Israel, are you questioning my loyalty to my country? I (like my father and brother) have served in our armed forces, I pay my taxes, and have always voted.


Again, what does this have to do with the topic?

There is nothing wrong with being Pro-Israel.

There IS something wrong with asking the rest of the country to foot the bill for another country.

Nobody here is questioning your loyalties, as long as you agree that Israel is a sovereign nation that is capable of taking care of her own issues without the help of the United States.

When someone asks me to foot the bill for another country I do question their loyalties.

I question the loyalties of those that want to allow illegal immigration to continue.

Like I've said before, Israel is singled out because it is the largest, and best example of a lobby with foreign loyalties shaping the policies of America. As far as I'm concerned that is a loss of US sovereignty, when our policies are made to suit those of a foreign country.

I've said it before I'll say it again, the Saudi lobby is WRONG, the Cuban lobby is wrong, the United Macedonian Diaspora is wrong.

However, only two have significant power in America, Israelis and Saudis.

And, as I stated earlier, the Saudis have caused us quite a bit of grief IMHO.

Trade and Diplomacy with all, entangling alliances with none.

 

[Benny45]

Why don't they move there if they're pro-Israel? There is no need for ANY lobbyists. Everyone should have the same exact rights as everyone else. No more, no less. No legislation of virtue.

I'm pro-Israel? should I move? Should everybody move that does not have the same opinion as you?

As this has nothing really to do with the topic, I'm done debating it.

 

[Benny45]

There is nothing wrong with being Pro-Israel.

There IS something wrong with asking the rest of the country to foot the bill for another country.

Nobody here is questioning your loyalties, as long as you agree that Israel is a sovereign nation that is capable of taking care of her own issues without the help of the United States.

When someone asks me to foot the bill for another country I do question their loyalties.

I question the loyalties of those that want to allow illegal immigration to continue.

Like I've said before, Israel is singled out because it is the largest, and best example of a lobby with foreign loyalties shaping the policies of America. As far as I'm concerned that is a loss of US sovereignty, when our policies are made to suit those of a foreign country.

I've said it before I'll say it again, the Saudi lobby is WRONG, the Cuban lobby is wrong, the United Macedonian Diaspora is wrong.

However, only two have significant power in America, Israelis and Saudis.

And, as I stated earlier, the Saudis have caused us quite a bit of grief IMHO.

Trade and Diplomacy with all, entangling alliances with none.

As I have stated countless times, I am all for cutting aid to every country, as long as we are not just singling out Israel.

 

[Sir VotesALot]

Israel should've been attacked and, if not destroyed completely, then at least disarmed after the cowardly attack on the USS Liberty (Machine-gunning life rafts? You Jews are just plain sick). Israel also arms more terrorist groups than Iran or Syria could ever dream of; the Mossad was arming the Tamil Tigers (and probably still is) in the 1980s, whose kill ratio is far higher than Hamas or Hezbollah, as well as the Sinhalese government. That's right, they were arming BOTH SIDES of the conflict. At least Iran and Syria PICK A SIDE when they send aid to Hezbollah to fight the evil Zionists. All Israel cares about is money.

And yes, Benny45, please move to Israel. You know full well that the Jewish lobby is a detriment to American interests so there's really no reason for you to stay here if you're going to remain willfully ignorant of that and continue to pick our pockets you stinkin' agent/traitor.

 

[CountryboyRonPaul]

As I have stated countless times, I am all for cutting aid to every country, as long as we are not just singling out Israel.

Then we are in agreement, the Israeli lobby is just a very good example of losing sovereignty to another country through political favors, I don't mean to single them out in our foreign aid cuts.

I know others do mean to single Israel out, but I'm interested in singling out all foreign associated lobbys.

 

[Zolah]

I'm pro-Israel? should I move? Should everybody move that does not have the same opinion as you?

As this has nothing really to do with the topic, I'm done debating it.

He meant the lobbyists I'm sure, the whole area of lobbyists seems like a black hole where virtue has been sucked into nothingness, very strange business.

AIPAC is one of the (if not THE) most influencial lobby in Washington, guess it just makes a good example, no one can forget that Saudis have an enormous stake in the American economy, and that itself holds America to play niceball with them.

Trade and diplomacy with all, entangling alliances with none +1

Sir VotesAlot, no one is interested in your racist rhetoric.

 

[Benny45]

Israel should've been attacked and, if not destroyed completely, then at least disarmed after the cowardly attack on the USS Liberty (Machine-gunning life rafts? You Jews are just plain sick). Israel also arms more terrorist groups than Iran or Syria could ever dream of; the Mossad was arming the Tamil Tigers (and probably still is) in the 1980s, whose kill ratio is far higher than Hamas or Hezbollah, as well as the Sinhalese government. That's right, they were arming BOTH SIDES of the conflict. At least Iran and Syria PICK A SIDE when they send aid to Hezbollah to fight the evil Zionists. All Israel cares about is money.

And yes, Benny45, please move to Israel. You know full well that the Jewish lobby is a detriment to American interests so there's really no reason for you to stay here if you're going to remain willfully ignorant of that and continue to pick our pockets you stinkin' agent/traitor.

Nah, I think I will stay.

Funny you keep mentioning the USS Liberty and give Hezbollah a pass. Especially since it was Hezbollah that killed over 200 US marines in Lebanon, and is responsible for more American deaths than any terrorist organization besides Al-Q.

 

[Benny45]

Then we are in agreement, the Israeli lobby is just a very good example of losing sovereignty to another country through political favors, I don't mean to single them out in our foreign aid cuts.

I know others do mean to single Israel out, but I'm interested in singling out all foreign associated lobbys.

Good....

Now that we settled this, maybe we can solve global hunger.

 

[CountryboyRonPaul]

Good....

Now that we settled this, maybe we can solve global hunger.

I'll leave that up to Comrade-Obama

 

[Sir VotesALot]

Nah, I think I will stay.

Funny you keep mentioning the USS Liberty and give Hezbollah a pass. Especially since it was Hezbollah that killed over 200 US marines in Lebanon, and is responsible for more American deaths than any terrorist organization besides Al-Q.

And it was Israeli intelligence who knew about the attack beforehand and DIDN'T TELL US, as Victor Ostrovsky (ex-Mossad agent) admitted in his memoirs. I don't blame Hezbollah for carrying out that attack if they did--it's their terf and we had no right to be on it. Of course it was Israel's fault in the first place.

 

[Sir VotesALot]

And the Jewish lobby has killed way more Americans (i.e. Iraq war) than Hezbollah could ever dream of.

 

[Benny45]

And it was Israeli intelligence who knew about the attack beforehand and DIDN'T TELL US, as Victor Ostrovsky (ex-Mossad agent) admitted in his memoirs. I don't blame Hezbollah for carrying out that attack if they did--it's their terf and we had no right to be on it. Of course it was Israel's fault in the first place.

My goodness, you are insane

 

[Sir VotesALot]

Yes, I READ. My goodness, how insane!

 

[Benny45]

Yes, I READ. My goodness, how insane!

Its not that you read, its what you read. Im sure plenty of crazy people read.

 

[Sir VotesALot]

Granted I have read a lot of wild-and-crazy books like Elie Wiesel's "Night" and Alan Dershowitz's "The Case for Israel" but the Ostrovsky book reads as far more plausible than those two, which is probably why it was banned in Israel.

 

[Benny45]

Granted I have read a lot of wild-and-crazy books like Elie Wiesel's "Night" and Alan Dershowitz's "The Case for Israel" but the Ostrovsky book reads as far more plausible than those two, which is probably why it was banned in Israel.

Congrats on your reading selections. You should be proud of your beliefs. After all you are a holocaust denier, a conspiracy theorist, jew hating, blame Israel for everything (when its not Americas fault), Ron Paul supporter. Im sure RP is overcome with joy over the last bit.




By the way, Ostrovsky wrote novels about the Mossad, and 1 book he claimed to be non-fiction. Ofcourse none of what he wrote was ever proven to be accurate and almost every expert that has read it finds it completely unbelievable. Lets not let a little thing like the truth get in the way of your jew hating.


I will let you have the last word. My mother always told me to be kind to wackos.

 

[Sir VotesALot]

Let me just clarify something: I don't wish the (physical) destruction of Israel or any harm to come to any Israeli citizen, and I know that's not what Ahmadenijad actually said (as someone already mentioned) but it's fun to repeat in order to get a rise out of Jewish extremists like Benny45. But I do agree with Benny45 however that Ahmadenijad probably does desire the physical destruction of Israel (what Arab leader doesn't?) but that isn't what he said in the context of that one speech; he was clearly talking about regime change (a la Soviet Union).

On the other hand, I do support his holocaust conferences 100%. Those French and Swiss researchers aren't allowed to question the holocaust in their own countries, so why the hell shouldn't they have their own forum to discuss it in? Iran should be commended for setting that up, and especially for condemning the vile imprisonments of historians in Europe.

 

[Sir VotesALot]

Congrats on your reading selections. You should be proud of your beliefs. After all you are a holocaust denier, a conspiracy theorist, jew hating, blame Israel for everything (when its not Americas fault), Ron Paul supporter. Im sure RP is overcome with joy over the last bit.

Trust me, I fault America way more than I do Israel. The current American regime is my no. 1 most-hated in the world, then Germany and a number of EU countries. I actually admire the Israeli government for sticking up for its own kind (all over the fucking world, 24/7) and looking out for their own interests--at least in the short run. I believe in the long run its policies will be disastrous for Jews everywhere.

America is really to blame for all this. Jews will always act like Jews, of course, and its we who should not be sending them any aid. It's we who should not be cowering in fear from the pressure they exert on us. If 9/11 was in fact a real terrorist attack then we certainly deserved it, just as we will deserve more in the future. We are a nation of miserable cowards. The Israelis who carry rifles around Tel Aviv I respect far more than the average American.

 

[american empire]

been reading the thread....benny you keep bringing the Egyptian 3 billion dollars.....please tell me you know and read history....you are true when you say that not all Egyptians like America but what you "spin" is that they dont like american POLICIES which have nothing to do with americans...besides the hate is directed because of the billions go to subsidize a dictator Husni Mubarak....the dictator is on American payroll so that Israel doesnt have to deal with another foe on its western borders....jeez being an Israeli fanatic you must know the history of Egypt and their dictatorship.....

i bet you dont even know that bread in egypt is subsidized by the govt...maybe thats where the 3 billion is going...so that people dont rise against the dictatorship...what most people fail to realize is that the majority of Arab population wants democracy and freedom only to be stifled by dictators on American payroll and guess who they sign peace treaties with?...Israel...

benny you need tyo read the book "the Israeli lobby and US foreign policy " by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt ....one is a professor in Univ of Chicago and the other at Harvard...and jewish ...I mentioned that b/c i dont want you to discredit them by saying they are probably antisemites or have an agenda...please read the book......then maybe we could discuss more about the middle east and US involvement....

again...

"the Israeli lobby and US foreign policy " by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt

 

[sidster]

Let me just clarify something: I don't wish the (physical) destruction of Israel or any harm to come to any Israeli citizen, and I know that's not what Ahmadenijad actually said (as someone already mentioned) but it's fun to repeat in order to get a rise out of Jewish extremists like Benny45. But I do agree with Benny45 however that Ahmadenijad probably does desire the physical destruction of Israel (what Arab leader doesn't?) but that isn't what he said in the context of that one speech; he was clearly talking about regime change

Umm... Iranians are NOT Arab ... they are Persians.