I guess Jimmy Carter is "anti-semitic" now

[Alex Libman]

If I wasn't ethnically Jewish and didn't have first-hand experience with my own relatives, then I simply wouldn't for a moment believe that some Jews can be so racist, manipulative, and dishonest... but sadly they are.

 

[devil21]

Benny45 keeps mentioning Israeli kids being killed but why are all the news reports showing its the Palestinians being killed? I dont really think a guy with a bomb vest can compare to a rocket launching attack helicopter.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080416/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians

In the day's deadliest attack, an Israeli helicopter fired four missiles at targets near the Bureij refugee camp in central Gaza, witnesses said. At least 12 Palestinians, including five children aged 12-15, were killed, said Dr. Moaiya Hassanain of the Palestinian Health Ministry.

Reuters cameraman Fadel Shana was killed while filming Israeli tank movements, apparently in an airstrike in the same area. Two bystanders also died.

 

[Benny45]

Benny45 keeps mentioning Israeli kids being killed but why are all the news reports showing its the Palestinians being killed? I dont really think a guy with a bomb vest can compare to a rocket launching attack helicopter.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080416/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians

Do I really need to start posting links to the stories of Israeli kids being killed?

Wasnt it just a few weeks ago that abunch of jewish teenagers were shot to death leaving school in Jerusalem?

 

[Benny45]

Would you be so good as to say that the Jewish state has no blood on its hands? Kindly recite the story of the Irgun and the King David Hotel bombing? Terrorism is a model, and Israel has one hell of a template.

Name me one country without any blood on their hands.

 

[Benny45]

If I wasn't ethnically Jewish and didn't have first-hand experience with my own relatives, then I simply wouldn't for a moment believe that some Jews can be so racist, manipulative, and dishonest... but sadly they are.

Wait, so you are telling me that there are racist jews? Wow, what a scoop. I guess the jews have a monopoly on racism. You sir are a genius.

 

[Benny45]

Eichmann was still in diapers when the 'six million' figure was first propagated--during the first World War. It failed then but finally succeeded after the second, as Don Heddesheimer's book clearly shows. .[/I][/b]

Yep, Im going to take the word of some author, over the guy who orchestrated the whole holocaust. Its just amazing when hatred makes you blind to the truth.

 

[Zolah]

And I raise my point again about all people involved in discussion talking about both sides of the story, in relevance to fairness, otherwise it becomes a tug-of-war of pointlessness.

Listen to a quick fact, Palestinian militants having killed Israeli civilians have committed war crimes, Israeli governments progress of settlements on occupied territory is a war crime, both sides have committed war crimes and it doesn't seem likely that the political leaders will be punished for them, unlike in the current news the talks of people involved in the Yugoslavian conflict being tried for war crimes.

Alright so no one can deny that both sides have committed war crimes, every day seems to bring more death, which is saddening and grieved, but blaming each side gets no one nowhere.

 

[Alex Libman]

Wait, so you are telling me that there are racist jews? Wow, what a scoop. I guess the jews have a monopoly on racism. You sir are a genius.

Not a monopoly, of course, but I don't know of any other group that comes anywhere close to their ethnocentrism. The Japanese are a distant second, but they never made up such a powerful "fifth column" inside another country...

 

[Zolah]

Benny I think Israel deserves to be wiped off the map ASAP and I know you agree. I support Ahmadenijad 100% and I'm hoping he'll organize another holocaust conference so the world can see how badly the revisionists destroy the hoax.

At first glance I thought you were being sarcastic, maybe I was wrong.

First sentence doesn't make any sense to be honest. Second sentence seems to allude to the alledged statement by Ahmadinejad about "wiping Israel off the map", when no such idiom exists in the Persian language, many translations have stated what he actually said as "the Zionist regime needs to be eliminated" which does not require violence, and is not an anti-semitic remark, I support him on this statement. And you've twisted the holocaust conference to a meaning of something different to suit your apparently racist means. Intolerance is intolerable, racism is unwelcome, realise that Zionists are a small minority of a people.

 

[Benny45]

unlike in the current news the talks of people involved in the Yugoslavian conflict being tried for war crimes.

Alright so no one can deny that both sides have committed war crimes, every day seems to bring more death, which is saddening and grieved, but blaming each side gets no one nowhere.

I guess the Russian government should be tried for their vast crimes in Chechyna.
I guess the Chinese government should be tried for their vast crimes in Tibet
I guess the North Korean government should be tried for its crimes against its own population
You can probably add most of the governments in Africa to the list.

etc, etc, etc...............................

 

[Benny45]

At first glance I thought you were being sarcastic, maybe I was wrong.

First sentence doesn't make any sense to be honest. Second sentence seems to allude to the alledged statement by Ahmadinejad about "wiping Israel off the map", when no such idiom exists in the Persian language, many translations have stated what he actually said as "the Zionist regime needs to be eliminated" which does not require violence, and is not an anti-semitic remark, I support him on this statement. And you've twisted the holocaust conference to a meaning of something different to suit your apparently racist means. Intolerance is intolerable, racism is unwelcome, realise that Zionists are a small minority of a people.

You actually believe Ahmadinejad didnt mean he wants to see Israel wiped off the map? My goodness.

Did you read what this madman said today? He doubts the 3000 deaths in NY on 911 because the names of the victims have never been made public. I guess the fact that they are read aloud on the anniversary each year has gone unnoticed to this wacko.

 

[Mopsus]

Name me one country without any blood on their hands.

Israel sure as heck isn't one of them. You want to get back that Israeli terrorism issue now? Please be so good as to tell me the difference between the Irgun which has placed 95% of the Israeli PMs and Hamas?

 

[Benny45]

Not a monopoly, of course, but I don't know of any other group that comes anywhere close to their ethnocentrism. The Japanese are a distant second, but they never made up such a powerful "fifth column" inside another country...

You have got to be kidding me. Have you ever been to a muslim country?

 

[Benny45]

Israel sure as heck isn't one of them.

What country is? Please name one.

Why dont you ask a native american how they feel about the history of our country.

 

[Mopsus]

What country is? Please name one.

Why dont you ask a native american how they feel about the history of our country.

Sounds like a Palestinian conundrum eh? A superior power shoves you off of your land and kills you when you object huh?

 

[Benny45]

Sounds like a Palestinian conundrum eh? A superior power shoves you off of your land and kills you when you object huh?

Ofcourse it was never just the Palestinians land in the fist place. Lets not let the facts get in the way

 

[Alex Libman]

You have got to be kidding me. Have you ever been to a muslim country?

No, and some time ago I would have also said "and I never will" but Dubai and Malaysia have come a long way since then. And with some exception of royal Arab chauvinism, Islamic countries aren't very ethnocentric, just religion-centric.

The bottom line is this: Neanderthals probably fought over that strategically-important passage between three continents, and countless peoples since. Jews were once in majority on that land, as documented in the Bible, but for a relatively brief period time. There was a small Jewish minority in Palestine throughout much post-Roman history, but most Jews chose to be in the greener pastures to the West and North. (And in some cases South - at some point there were about as many Jews in South Africa as in Palestine!) The chunk of land pointlessly designated by Romans (and later Byzantines, various Arab tribes, the Ottoman Turks, and finally the British) as "Palestine" was overwhelmingly Muslim, with various Christian and Jewish sects a mere minority. The majority of land in question was privately owned by Muslims who obviously opposed the creation of the state of Israel (in spite of the fact that land ownership wasn't very formal back then). Before the Zionist conquest, Jews were in a situation very similar, for example, to the Native Americans.

How would you feel if the United Nations voted to give away your land to whatever tribe lived there a few hundred, nevermind a few thousand years ago?

 

[Benny45]

There was a small Jewish minority in Palestine throughout much post-Roman history, but most Jews chose to be in the greener pastures to the West and North. (And in some cases South - at some point there were about as many Jews in South Africa as in Palestine!) The chunk of land pointlessly designated by Romans (and later Byzantines, various Arab tribes, the Ottoman Turks, and finally the British) as "Palestine" was overwhelmingly Muslim, with various Christian and Jewish sects a mere minority.

from wiki....................

"By 1844, Jews constituted the largest population group (and by 1890 an absolute majority) in Jerusalem"

By the way, the UN wanted to give part of the land to the Palestinians. The Pals turned them down as they wanted it all. Another example of brilliant Pal. leadership.

 

[Alex Libman]

If you're going to quote a source, please provide the URL (though Google was very helpful). If you're going to quote Wikipedia, which they themselves advise against, at least quote the full paragraph, which in fact reads:

By the mid-19th century, the Land of Israel was a part of the Ottoman Empire and a province of Syria, populated mostly by Muslim and Christian Arabs, as well as Jews, Greeks, Druze, Bedouins and other minorities. By 1844, Jews constituted the largest population group (and by 1890 an absolute majority) in Jerusalem (although as a whole, the Jewish population made up far less than 10% of the total).

The 1844 number should take into consideration that Jerusalem had a lot of different sects by then - you could claim that Jews are a majority in NYC if you play with the numbers and slice the other ethnic / denominational groups thinly enough. And, on a timeline of thousands of years, 1890 falls into what I call the Zionist era.

Anyways, back to the topic of this thread - Jimmy Carter, socialist scumbag though he is, he is not "anti-semitic" for his even-handed approach to the "Middle East peace process". (Nor is he anti-Jewish, since Jews by far don't represent all Semites, and Israel doesn't represent all Jews).

 

[Benny45]

If you're going to quote a source, please provide the URL (though Google was very helpful). If you're going to quote Wikipedia, which they themselves advise against, at least quote the full paragraph, which in fact reads:



The 1844 number should take into consideration that Jerusalem had a lot of different sects by then - you could claim that Jews are a majority in NYC if you play with the numbers and slice the other ethnic groups thinly enough. And, on a timeline of thousands of years, 1890 falls into what I call the Zionist era.

less than 10% of the pop still made the the majority population. What other group had more than 10%?

To be honest, this is a totally stupid arguement. Israel exists today, and the jews are never going to leave. The only recourse the Pals have is a homeland of their own in Gaza and the Westbank. If the world wont accept that, then the fighting will continue.