I don't belong here....

torchbearer said:
Abraham crossed the Rubicon in the 1860's, the american republic died, and the american empire arose.
The chains of the constitution was forever broken, from that point on.
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That's one interpretation and perspective that I am mostly somewhat comfortable with.



Thanks! :)
 
Good post but i would like to comment on your thoughts about guns. I don't want to start a heated debate.

But say if you took away the right to bear arms (guns) you think criminals would give them up? You think people who commit violent crimes would stop? NO look at the UK. They have a problem with Knife stabbings.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/interactive/2008/jul/17/ukcrime.knifecrime


Guns dont kill people people do. banning guns is not going to stop violent crime. You would just see more unusual acts of violence.
 
Drknows said:
Good post but i would like to comment on your thoughts about guns. I don't want to start a heated debate.

But say if you took away the right to bear arms (guns) you think criminals would give them up? You think people who commit violent crimes would stop? NO look at the UK. They have a problem with Knife stabbings.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/interactive/2008/jul/17/ukcrime.knifecrime


Guns dont kill people people do. banning guns is not going to stop violent crime. You would just see more unusual acts of violence.
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Take a look at Japan.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/ja-japan/cri-crime

I DEFINITELY agree that it's the people. I guess Americans, Aussies and Brits are just ... angrier than everyone else? Dang.

Now, I'm pro-guns for various reasons, but saying the "look what happens when you take away guns" by just pointing at the UK is kinda wishy-washy. Take a look at other countries first. Violent crime and guns do seem to correlate more than not. Humans are just ignorant like that.
 
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Everyone is welcome to this movement.

That is, everyone except for liberal democrats, socialists, white nationalists, 9/11 truthers, non-christians...
 
Forefall said:
Take a look at Japan.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/ja-japan/cri-crime

I DEFINITELY agree that it's the people. I guess Americans, Aussies and Brits are just ... angrier than everyone else? Dang.
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People get chopped up by machete in Africa, probably daily..en mass.
Also- the more people are concentrated in one area.. and the more transient they are.. the more likely you are to have very high crime rate.
 
How amazingly Right On!

I feel a little bit of an outsider at times in the seriously socially conservative area I'm in but I am constantly reminded that not everyone here demands thought compliance with their particular flavor of conservatism-Namely, the people who place the Rule of Law and Liberty in first place on governmental issues.
God, Goddess, Gods, >chosen deity< >NONE< >Haven't Decided< Bless Constitutional Americans!

AxXiom
 
AxXiom said:
How amazingly Right On!

I feel a little bit of an outsider at times in the seriously socially conservative area I'm in but I am constantly reminded that not everyone here demands thought compliance with their particular flavor of conservatism-Namely, the people who place the Rule of Law and Liberty in first place on governmental issues.
God, Goddess, Gods, >chosen deity< >NONE< >Haven't Decided< Bless Constitutional Americans!

AxXiom
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That is how freedom brings us together. We don't have to agree at all on how we live our lives. And that is ok. You leave me alone. I leave you alone.
We freely associate with others that think similar to us... and we live in harmony.
That is the idea, with the constitution as chains on our men of power, to protect us from tyranny.
That was the idea anyway... then the 1860's happened... oops.
 
Please refrain from hiring the thugs and goons that tyrannize, terrorize and threaten me and mine through your vote. ;)

And I'll leave you alone. :D
 
tomveil said:
Welcome :) I'm a life-long Democrat myself. I dislike guns, but understand the need for people to protect themselves against the government. Abortion effects me not at all, and I know that it's too complicated to pretend I have the answer.

Never in my life did I think I'd be supporting a republican, much less filing as a PCO for them. Then again (as I tell my friends), Ron Paul is about as much of a Republican as I am. The way he voted before the War/Patriot Act was the way I WISH that the Democrats had voted instead of losing their spines.
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Me too..Life long Democrat, considered liberal in my views..Never in my lifetime did I expect to support a Republican, let alone switch parties to do so, nor did I expect to find a man like Ron Paul to educate me and lead me back to the Consitution. A very good friend of mine, was a ardent Hillary supporter and we agreed months ago to agree to disagree in order to keep our friendship intact. We totally avoided politics when we were together. After Hillary dropped out I gave her Rons' book A Manifesto. Less then 2 weeks later she calls and says I think I'm a Libertarian, and was actually quoting from the book. She joined me in DC for the March and Rally, called me the next day and her first words, "I've awakened." I said Welcome to the Revolution. Freedom is indeed popular!! We will both see you in Minneapolis.
 
eldeeder said:
Strange sounding post, I know, but bear with me.

I am what you would probably call a liberal. I am very much pro-choice. I hate guns. I am an atheist. I do think the government should take on certain tasks in which profit should not be a motive. i.e. Air traffic control, health care, and a few other smaller items.

So now, allow me to explain why I am a Ron Paul supporter. I am going to use the example of Guns and Abortion (2 sensitive subjects) for this.

Guns are stupid. Just plain stupid. I'm not going to go into the reasons why, there is no reason to. Im not posting this to argue about guns. Let's just say thats how I feel about the issue, and you'll have a tough time changing it.

Abortion? Right or wrong, it has to remain legal. Why? So it can be regulated, preventing "back-ally" abortions. I don't consider it ethical after the 1st trimester, but, as an atheist, I am conflicted in my own views about this topic, so no reason to force my speculative views upon you.

So... There are my arguments. A lot of people on here would fight me tooth and nail about them, but first let me explain my support of Ron Paul.

Guns? The second amendment. The constitution is NOT pick and choose. Its all or nothing. I hate guns, but understand that gun control only takes guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. I hate guns period, but tough shit for me, the constitution doesn't. If I want to take your guns away, I have to fight to AMEND the constitution. Not just make a law saying "no more guns for you..." And I do understand why our founding fathers wanted the second amendment.

Abortion? Roe v Wade is actually on my side. It upholds my beliefs. Oh, wait though. Its AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION, and like I said people, ITS NOT PICK AND CHOOSE. Ron Paul wants it gone. Not so he can replace it, but because its not the federal governments place.

Thats why I am a Ron Paul supporter. I don't agree with a lot of peoples politics, but I do agree that what we have isn't working. We all need to find a common ground, and what better place than our own constitution.

Anyway, to sum it up, It's NOT about politics anymore! It's about getting back to our senses. Its about waking America up! It's about saying "HEY! Freedom means people can do things you dont approve of! As long as they don't impose upon your freedoms!" (im sure there is a better way to phrase that)

So, while I find I don't agree with many people I meet, I couldn't agree with the movement more.

And let's be honest with ourselves. What fun would any of this be if we all agreed on every issue? Might as well work for fox news then... :)


DR. RON PAUL ----> The only candidate who is ACTUALLY bringing people together!
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The right to own a gun also means the right not to own one.
 
MarkfromTN said:
That is how I have gotten all my democrat leaning friends and family commited to voting for Ron Paul. The only friends I am having a damn hard time to getting to consider Ron Paul are my Republican friends.
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I couldn't agree with you more on this. My family is largely Democrats and yet once they here the man they understand the man. While on the same token once my Republican's hear Ron Paul speak they kind of automatically go into an attack/defensive posture. I being a former Democrat have had a much easier time converting Dems over Reps to Ron Paul.
 
eldeeder said:
No, PROGRESSIVE = SOCIALIST.

The democrats are NOT LIBERALS, WE ARE LIBERALS. The socialist formula does not agree with what the US was founded upon...
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I haven't seen you before, for whatever reason...

My name is Kade, and you and I have MUCH in common my friend.
 
I don't know, or really want to know what the idiot above me said, but he is the one of the ones here who redefines what it means to be liberal into a nice burnable straw man at a whim.
 
The only thing we all need to agree upon is adherence to our beloved Constitution. Everything else is just fluff.
 
Yay for vintage RPF! :)



eldeeder said:
Strange sounding post, I know, but bear with me.

I am what you would probably call a liberal. I am very much pro-choice. I hate guns. I am an atheist. I do think the government should take on certain tasks in which profit should not be a motive. i.e. Air traffic control, health care, and a few other smaller items.

So now, allow me to explain why I am a Ron Paul supporter. I am going to use the example of Guns and Abortion (2 sensitive subjects) for this.

Guns are stupid. Just plain stupid. I'm not going to go into the reasons why, there is no reason to. Im not posting this to argue about guns. Let's just say thats how I feel about the issue, and you'll have a tough time changing it.

Abortion? Right or wrong, it has to remain legal. Why? So it can be regulated, preventing "back-ally" abortions. I don't consider it ethical after the 1st trimester, but, as an atheist, I am conflicted in my own views about this topic, so no reason to force my speculative views upon you.

So... There are my arguments. A lot of people on here would fight me tooth and nail about them, but first let me explain my support of Ron Paul.

Guns? The second amendment. The constitution is NOT pick and choose. Its all or nothing. I hate guns, but understand that gun control only takes guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. I hate guns period, but tough shit for me, the constitution doesn't. If I want to take your guns away, I have to fight to AMEND the constitution. Not just make a law saying "no more guns for you..." And I do understand why our founding fathers wanted the second amendment.

Abortion? Roe v Wade is actually on my side. It upholds my beliefs. Oh, wait though. Its AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION, and like I said people, ITS NOT PICK AND CHOOSE. Ron Paul wants it gone. Not so he can replace it, but because its not the federal governments place.

Thats why I am a Ron Paul supporter. I don't agree with a lot of peoples politics, but I do agree that what we have isn't working. We all need to find a common ground, and what better place than our own constitution.

Anyway, to sum it up, It's NOT about politics anymore! It's about getting back to our senses. Its about waking America up! It's about saying "HEY! Freedom means people can do things you dont approve of! As long as they don't impose upon your freedoms!" (im sure there is a better way to phrase that)

So, while I find I don't agree with many people I meet, I couldn't agree with the movement more.

And let's be honest with ourselves. What fun would any of this be if we all agreed on every issue? Might as well work for fox news then... :)


DR. RON PAUL ----> The only candidate who is ACTUALLY bringing people together!
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