I don't believe in Jesus Christ

[Schifference]

This is for all the people that don't believe in God. God is business. People choose to sell god to people for profit & personal gain. Wars are fought for god. Thank god for the rain when there is a drought and thank him for the sun when there is a flood. What about the countless hours mumbling words in ones head pretending to be talking to the almighty? What about all the cash? I believe in humanity & treating everyone with respect and dignity. I don't need god to be honest or righteous. I don't need god to be a good parent or to know what is right or wrong. My conscience is fine without god. I am at peace with myself & my loved ones and will accept my destiny at the time of my demise. I am happy to be honest to myself for not being a hypocrite and pretending to believe in something that I don't believe in. I wonder how many - reps I get from being honest. I accept every one of them. I wonder how a christian would feel if I - rep them for believing in god.

 

[eduardo89]

I don't need god to be honest or righteous. I don't need god to be a good parent or to know what is right or wrong.

An atheist may be capable of acting morally, but they will never know why they are acting morally or why that action is moral.

 

[fisharmor]

Yes you do... you just don't like him.

 

[torchbearer]

Yes you do... you just don't like him.

Maybe he believe in jesus, but not the christ.
he didn't fit the prophecy of daniel.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Welcome to the thread on RonPaulForums in which Ron Paul is not welcome

 

[presence]

I take a more pragmatic view on religion:

Saying you don't believe in JC is like saying,

"I don't believe in Humpty Dumpty."


Its just a lesson; a way of tuning yourself.




...all of the kings horses and all of the kings men...

 

[willwash]

This is for all the people that don't believe in God. God is business. People choose to sell god to people for profit & personal gain. Wars are fought for god. Thank god for the rain when there is a drought and thank him for the sun when there is a flood. What about the countless hours mumbling words in ones head pretending to be talking to the almighty? What about all the cash? I believe in humanity & treating everyone with respect and dignity. I don't need god to be honest or righteous. I don't need god to be a good parent or to know what is right or wrong. My conscience is fine without god. I am at peace with myself & my loved ones and will accept my destiny at the time of my demise. I am happy to be honest to myself for not being a hypocrite and pretending to believe in something that I don't believe in. I wonder how many - reps I get from being honest. I accept every one of them. I wonder how a christian would feel if I - rep them for believing in god.

I'd like to direct you to the thinking of Thomas Jefferson. He identified many of the corruptions of organized religion that you've identified and repudiated them all. His thinking led him down a purely rational path, and indeed he ended up rejecting much of Christian dogma on the basis of his rational thinking...he even parsed the bible to remove what he saw as irrational dogma. This being said, he still believed in the moral teachings of Jesus and believed this to be the only true basis of what is Christian. Thus he still considered himself a Christian.
I agree with my man TJ.
What say you.

 

[Schifference]

I believe in righteousness. I believe in honesty. I willfully admit that I do not believe in god. I believe that a man named Jesus was born & lived on earth some 2k years ago but was no god. I believe that one day I will die and my life will end. No afterlife. No miracles. No divine interventions. Here today gone tomorrow. I believe there is spirituality without god. Meditation is good. I have faith in myself and people I trust.

 

[green73]

An atheist may be capable of acting morally, but they will never know why they are acting morally or why that action is moral.

With all due respect, I disagree. l think we are born knowing right from wrong: it is inherent in all of us--save the socio/psychopaths. That is not to say a spiritual IQ doesn’t play a factor. It most certainly does, and atheists are typically rudderless in this respect and join on to any number of hideous beliefs.

 

[Schifference]

I am the furthest thing from rudderless. I know my course and am in control of my life. I take and accept responsibility for all my actions. I have 4 children and am honored to have an honest open relationship with my children. They can discuss anything with me or my wife. They are responsible for their behavior and I do not care what they have done but only care that they are honest with me. My oldest daughter graduated high school with a 5.35GPA and was fluent in Spanish, French, & German. My 16 year old son is #1 in his school. My 14 year old daughter tests off the charts. My totally gifted 24 year old son chose to be a class clown and is maturing. But all of them can talk to me any time about anything. When the chips are down and they want a taste of reality they always come to Dad.

 

[Eagles' Wings]

I am the furthest thing from rudderless. I know my course and am in control of my life. I take and accept responsibility for all my actions. I have 4 children and am honored to have an honest open relationship with my children. They can discuss anything with me or my wife. They are responsible for their behavior and I do not care what they have done but only care that they are honest with me. My oldest daughter graduated high school with a 5.35GPA and was fluent in Spanish, French, & German. My 16 year old son is #1 in his school. My 14 year old daughter tests off the charts. My totally gifted 24 year old son chose to be a class clown and is maturing. But all of them can talk to me any time about anything. When the chips are down and they want a taste of reality they always come to Dad.

Okay, what is your secret? A happy marriage and four successful kids. That is just fantastic.

 

[Schifference]

Okay, what is your secret? A happy marriage and four successful kids. That is just fantastic.

Honesty & ownership of responsibility. Raising kids is easy! Teach them when they are young because once they begin to mature they will know more than me. Teach children math ASAP. Math is Logic. Chores are responsibility. No such thing as allowance. They already get all their needs met. Telling my 16 year old son that he needs to contact MIT and get a full scholarship. He can go to UCONN for free but why settle for less. He gets 101 in advanced Pre Cal. 99 in advanced Bio..... I cannot afford tuition. If he wants to be the best he needs to go to the best school for free. I teach my kids that they need to floss their teeth because they are their teeth. I don't care if they do or not but if they don't they will become adults and have gum disease and problems that could be avoided it is their choice. Honestly I don't care it is their choice. I have the best marriage ever! No control issues. People in this house make decisions but have to accept responsibility for those decisions.

 

[Matt Collins]

I cannot believe that I am about to engage in this sort of thread... political nonsense is bad enough, and now we are going to debate faith... yeah.



Anyway...

God is business. People choose to sell god to people for profit & personal gain. Wars are fought for god. Thank god for the rain when there is a drought and thank him for the sun when there is a flood.

What do people's actions have to do with whether or not a deity exists? One is not dependent upon the other.

pretending to believe in something that I don't believe in.

If you're talking about Jesus, it is pretty much accepted as historical fact that Jesus of Nazareth did in fact exist. Whether he was the Son of God as is claimed, well, is a matter of faith.

 

[Schifference]

Please refer to post 8

If you're talking about Jesus, it is pretty much accepted as historical fact that Jesus of Nazareth did in fact exist. Whether he was the Son of God as is claimed, well, is a matter of faith.[/QUOTE]

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Please refer to post 8

If you're talking about Jesus, it is pretty much accepted as historical fact that Jesus of Nazareth did in fact exist. Whether he was the Son of God as is claimed, well, is a matter of faith.

His name was Yeshua Ben Yosef. One of the problems I have with "organized" (for lack of a better word) religion. (mistranslations and misinterpretations)

I like this saying, "The Qu'ran and the Bible and the Torah, were all wrote with ink."

I am as righteous as I can be and live morally. Should there be an all knowing being, It will understand. It will understand my reservations through the life I've been born to as well as any sin I may have partaken in as I am only human and make mistakes. These people who say babies go to hell or damnation are absurd. God wouldn't be God if that were the case. He'd be another demon snake oil salesman trying to contract you for malevolent reasons.

They preach God is some iron fist to smote you to fire for the slightest or trivialities. Not my God.

I am not a particularly religious man but I do accept the apparent fact that we didn't simply come into being. Something had a hand in our design. Why monkeys are monkeys and we are as we are. Who or for why I do not know or claim to know. How I look at it anyways.

The good parts of any religion I can adhere to. (Thou shalt not murder) I just read the chapter in Liberty Defined titled Religion and Liberty. I can agree with Dr. Paul. (not that he espoused any of my views above, of course) He had a couple sections in that chapter that had the different religions and relevant quotations regarding different good morals; say, The Golden Rule, for example, or their version of the Ten Commandments. I can get behind a lot of it.

 

[KingRobbStark]

Please refer to post 8

If you're talking about Jesus, it is pretty much accepted as historical fact that Jesus of Nazareth did in fact exist. Whether he was the Son of God as is claimed, well, is a matter of faith.

[/QUOTE]

A lot of Jesus' existed during that time. A lot of Jesus' exist today, and a lot of them can be found a few miles from our border.

 

[Schifference]

LOL!

A lot of Jesus' existed during that time. A lot of Jesus' exist today, and a lot of them can be found a few miles from our border.[/QUOTE]

 

[fr33]

I don't believe the stories about Jesus anymore than I believe those about Paul Bunyan. Between the two I find Paul Bunyan's story to be more inspiring.

An omnipresent and omnipotent being that creates some sort of sick game in which most of his creations will never be informed about him during their life, is an asshole. If the fables were true, then he created his own sick game in which we are the pawns. Then a man appears and says he has the ability to absolve wrong-doing regardless of whether the victims of crime receives justice.

 

[robert9712000]

Have you even once ever lusted at another woman in your heart since you've been married? If you have then your not righteous.Have you ever left work early but still put down a full days work,then your not righteous.Have you ever told a lie? if so ,then your not righteous.

The point is,if your determining whats righteous based on your own opinion than naturally you'll think your a great guy,but to others based on the questions above they might consider you a adulterer,thief and a liar if you did any of those.If a person is left up to themselves to be there own judge of course there going to think they are a righteous person,because its easier than dealing with the never ending things in life that may seem little but are still sin.

Most good people without God just lack opportunity to be corrupt.If put in the right situation they may even surprise themselves how evil they can be when it comes to protecting there lifestyle they've grown accustom too or themselves if they feel threatened.

People don't realize just how much a hand God has in life that protects you from going completely depraved.Your pride will tell you its because your a good man,but in your private times too yourself, of which you know no one can see ,you know how dark and twisted your thoughts can go if you allow them to have there place.

 

[fr33]

Have you even once ever lusted at another woman in your heart since you've been married? If you have then your not righteous.Have you ever left work early but still put down a full days work,then your not righteous.Have you ever told a lie? if so ,then your not righteous.

The point is,if your determining whats righteous based on your own opinion than naturally you'll think your a great guy,but to others based on the questions above they might consider you a adulterer,thief and a liar if you did any of those.If a person is left up to themselves to be there own judge of course there going to think they are a righteous person,because its easier than dealing with the never ending things in life that may seem little but are still sin.

Most good people without God just lack opportunity to be corrupt.If put in the right situation they may even surprise themselves how evil they can be when it comes to protecting there lifestyle they've grown accustom too or themselves if they feel threatened.

People don't realize just how much a hand God has in life that protects you from going completely depraved.Your pride will tell you its because your a good man,but in your private times too yourself, of which you know no one can see ,you know how dark and twisted your thoughts can go if you allow them to have there place.

To be honest I think you are projecting your own weaknesses onto the rest of us.