I Canvassed yesterday and got 46 African Americans Republicans to support RP

[firebirdnation]

Because society is a certian way today, and it is very rare to have an old white guy gain the support of a bunch of black people. Thats unfortunately the way it is, but what we prove with such a fact, is that if you have a good message, anyone and everyone will join you.

Regardless, if the roles were reversed, it would be deemed racist and the author vilified as a racist. In addition, this goes against Ron Pauls ideas of individuality.

 

[Phunbaba]

Regardless, if the roles were reversed, it would be deemed racist and the author vilified as a racist. In addition, this goes against Ron Pauls ideas of individuality.

Did you not hear me correctly? I used one of his views to open the door to a certain demographic. From there I was able to inform folks of the rest of his views. To not have in mind who you are talking to before you set out to talk to them is foolish and poor politics. Call it racist if you wish, but I would have certainly opened up on a different note if I had been canvassing a white neighborhood.

It's simply realistic.

 

[firebirdnation]

I did target induviduals. It just so happens that almost my entire neighborhood is African American, with few exceptions.

I posted this because the black vote usually does go to a democrat. Most black republicans have a hard time getting excited about any candidate from the GOP side, so this post was meant to be an inspiration to people who may write off certain demographics as being too unlikely to be swayed.

Ron Paul's message speaks to all willing to listen.

Why do you need to keep track of the race of the individuals you come into contact with? It sounds kind of racist. Do you also keep track of the Whites who you have convinced to vote for Ron Paul. And if so, why don't you also start a thread mentioning how many Whites you have convinced to vote for Ron Paul. Of course if you did you would be called a racist. Ron Paul has said many times that he does not think in terms of groups.

 

[Phunbaba]

Why do you need to keep track of the race of the individuals you come into contact with? It sounds kind of racist. Do you also keep track of the Whites who you have convinced to vote for Ron Paul. And if so, why don't you also start a thread mentioning how many Whites you have convinced to vote for Ron Paul. Of course if you did you would be called a racist. Ron Paul has said many times that he does not think in terms of groups.

I kept track of it, because I had such low expectations for the day, and I was quite suprised at the end of the day. You can act like race isn't an issue all day, but at the end of that day, it is a big issue in this country.

Ron Paul may not see them as groups, but they are. When approached about the racist newsletters on CNN, the first thing he did is tout his views on minorities, or in other words, he tailored his message to appeal to minorities that might be watching. Does he judge them based on what group they belong to? Absolutely not. But he certainly does know that certain issues mean more to certain groups of people. To ignore this would be folly.

 

[firebirdnation]

Did you not hear me correctly? I used one of his views to open the door to a certain demographic. From there I was able to inform folks of the rest of his views. To not have in mind who you are talking to before you set out to talk to them is foolish and poor politics. Call it racist if you wish, but I would have certainly opened up on a different note if I had been canvassing a white neighborhood.

It's simply realistic.

Did you not see that I was responding to someone else's comments? I call it pandering, and I like Ron Paul because he doesn't pander. If Ron Paul did this, he would be flip flopping like all the rest of the candidates. He didn't change his delivery or message when he went the Spanish language debates. This proves that he does not see people as groups, but rather as individuals. This also proves that he is not a racist.

 

[s35wf]

Canvass Or CALL

I am new on this forum but active in campaign down here in FL since august.
I also have almost 20 yrs of sales & marketing experience. I am precinct captain here in #78 of florida.

If you dont canvass than atleast pick up the phone and start calling your precinct.
Of about 50 or so contacts last night; most are UNDECIDED. (2 ghouls, 1 huck, 1 thompson, 1 paul) most undecided!

I took the nonadvocacy script from HQ and sort of rearranged it. and Winged my pitch!

First Question instead i asked what are the most important issues to you?
then on to HQ question 3 i asked second in order. Opinion on War.

Then I took their issues, who they thought they might vote for, and mentioned Paul's stance on the issues! From that I got about 10 maybe I will Vote for Paul!

When I first get them on phone I just say this is (your name) I am with the (your state) presidential primary researh group. Do you a minute to discuss the upcoming election? (didnt mention survey) wanted to hear their thoughts first and take it from there! It Works!

 

[WilliamC]

Yeah, all too manypeople forget that Ron Paul's message doesnt pander to ANYONE, and at the same time, lets EVERYONE WIN!

Whether you're black, white, male, female, old, young, citizen, soldier, poor, rich, etc, etc...Ron Paul has the best message!

Well not for the power-hungry control-freak liberty-hating war-loving authoritarian bad guys

But everyone else, sure.

 

[Phunbaba]

Did you not see that I was responding to someone else's comments? I call it pandering, and I like Ron Paul because he doesn't pander. If Ron Paul did this, he would be flip flopping like all the rest of the candidates. He didn't change his delivery or message when he went the Spanish language debates. This proves that he does not see people as groups, but rather as individuals. This also proves that he is not a racist.

You are correct, he doesn't flip flop at all. Flip flopping is completely changing your message to fit the group you are speaking to. However he DOES emphasize a different part of his message depending on which group he is speaking to. Case in point: His South Carolina Ads have a religious undertone to them, while his California ones do not.

See what I'm getting at?

 

[dblee]

jeez firebird will you get off his back. you're starting to sound like someone who is more concerned with political correctness than the fact that he's actually winning voters.

 

[firebirdnation]

I kept track of it, because I had such low expectations for the day, and I was quite suprised at the end of the day. You can act like race isn't an issue all day, but at the end of that day, it is a big issue in this country.

Ron Paul may not see them as groups, but they are. When approached about the racist newsletters on CNN, the first thing he did is tout his views on minorities, or in other words, he tailored his message to appeal to minorities that might be watching. Does he judge them based on what group they belong to? Absolutely not. But he certainly does know that certain issues mean more to certain groups of people. To ignore this would be folly.

Yes, this was the first time I seen Ron Paul define people as groups, and I haven't seen him interviewed on many of the major news networks since. He clearly pandered to minorities and Blacks and it was very painful to watch.

I am not acting as if race is a non-issue, but rather if you said the same thing in this thread, but changed the words from Black to White, everyone would be calling you a racist. Its clearly a double standard. That is the point I am making.

 

[steph3n]

I have one quick question, did the newsletter issue come up? Did you make them aware it may come up and retort it before it is a problem?

 

[Phunbaba]

Yes, this was the first time I seen Ron Paul define people as groups, and I haven't seen him interviewed on many of the major news networks since. He clearly pandered to minorities and Blacks and it was very painful to watch.

I am not acting as if race is a non-issue, but rather if you said the same thing in this thread, but changed the words from Black to White, everyone would be calling you a racist. Its clearly a double standard. That is the point I am making.

Agreed, there has been a double standard there for the past 30 or so years. It is sad but true. If I had gone to a white neighborhood yesterday and got 46 people I would have still posted, but left race out, simply because I am white as well. If I were a black man and got 46 people to agree to vote I would have left race out, because I am a black man. Many are intimidated by the issue of race in politics. This post was meant to encourage folks to see past it

Thanks for the discussion!

 

[liberteebell]

Congrats, phunbaba! That's awesome work!!

 

[Phunbaba]

I have one quick question, did the newsletter issue come up? Did you make them aware it may come up and retort it before it is a problem?

It did twice, and the people that brought it up were very well educated about politics in general. They were proud leaders of the African American community here.

One of them I simply couldn't convince, so I went on my way, but the other person warmed up when I informed her that the president of the NAACP himself had spoken on Paul's behalf in in his defense. From there I was able to get the conversation going on a more positive note.

 

[JimInNY]

awesome!

 

[lloydian]

firebirdnation - you are being completely irrational, illogical, and a jerk.

Stop it already with the racist bullshit! Your logic behind your arguments is a total joke.

 

[hopeforamerica]

Great work! Now the hard part will be getting every one of them to caucus! I hope you kept track of everyone and do what you can to get them there on caucus day.

 

[-lotus-]

Ive gotten around 20 new voters to come over to our side already, including my neighbors, a few of their friends and sons/daughters. My neighborhood is a mix of hispanic/black/filipino and ive had no problems getting people to listen. you just need to be presentable and smile a lot. having a few jokes handy doesnt hurt either. this is so easy to do that no one has an excuse to not talk to at least 5 people a day at random. GOTV!!!!

 

[Arklatex]

Everyone should read this post!

 

[Derek Johnson]

you ROCK Phunbaba! I'm printing your post out and committing it to memory!

My precinct [Marlin, TX] is about 60% black. Hopefully my precinct will vote 100% Ron Paul! Hopefully

Freedom!