I can't shake what I saw earlier this week, but it won't stop me

The GOP establishment here in Maine already knows me well. I'm a 57 yo dressed neatly, but casually, who shows up at the Sheridan Hotel on the night of the caucus result announcement. The crowd was ALL die-hard establishment types all dressed up and pretty. The glares could have set my thinning hair on fire. I loved every ten minutes of it.
"Just checking you guys out", I told one when he asked what I thought.
The Sam Adams beer went down nice and smooth, as was my gait as I walked out and proceeded across town to the Ron Paul rally where I fit in just perfectly.
One of my fondest memories will be Dr. Paul kicking balloons.
 
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I was on my way to attend my first Republican party meeting, ready to take my first step into the political process. As I walked into the room several of the establishment Republicans saw me and their faces immediately changed - to a look of complete hatred, complete disgust. I never once identified myself as a Ron Paul supporter, but they assumed so, simply because I'm younger and they had never seen me before.

It was a look of, "WHO THE HELL INVITED YOU TO OUR SOCIAL CLUB!?"

Bring it on.


That my friend is why we have the size and scope of government: to stop any thing new and better from coming along because it is a threat to the established ruling elite. Business learned long ago that violence through government could stop or stifle their competitors - corporatism is the cancerous outgrowth of that wish.

It was probably the same look that females give when they see a 'more attractive' woman than them around their husband. It is the very same look a union member gives a non union member when the latter simply wants to work. It is envy, it is hatred, and it can be deadly.

Congratulations for getting the look, it truly is an honor.
 
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It was certainly nothing like that. I went straight from my work as a video game designer to the meeting so I was wearing my normal work clothes - my company jacket (which I think most would find is pretty darn snazy), blue jeans, and closed-toe shoes. Yes, it wasn't a button down and khakis but I don't think I looked unkempt, overly hip, or unprofessional either. I'm a nice person and I think what I wore reflected that.

I don't get it then. Really not the experience I have had in my 25 years of doing this. When I was a youngin' they welcomed me with open arms. Perhaps you just hit a bad crowd, or given all the commotion that has been going on this year perhaps they are a bit more guarded than they normally would be. The reports of Ron Paul supporters creating a ruckus (whether true or not) are trickling down the the average GOP person.
 
Eh, whatever. I'm 39, not a kid, lifelong republican. I don't give a crap what anyone wears.

If you have 50 RP people in hoodies and jeans and 20 establishment types in suits at your local GOP convention, you win.

Exactly.
 
I fully support dressing to look professional and blend in.

That being said I look forward to the day when the GOP has been fully renovated by liberty and the prejudicial collectivist labeling habits upon which such tactical concerns are based is finally an fully obsolete. A political body exists to conceive, consider, and carry forward matters of policy not to play "fashion cop" and I personally find it disrespectful to the assembled body that such trivialities are allowed to carry significance within such a context. Substance over superficiality, not the other way round. Both the party and the policy it espouses will be much healthier when we reach that point.
 
I fully support dressing to look professional and blend in.

That being said I look forward to the day when the GOP has been fully renovated by liberty and the prejudicial collectivist labeling habits upon which such tactical concerns are based is finally an fully obsolete. A political body exists to conceive, consider, and carry forward matters of policy not to play "fashion cop" and I personally find it disrespectful to the assembled body that such trivialities are allowed to carry significance within such a context. Substance over superficiality, not the other way round. Both the party and the policy it espouses will be much healthier when we reach that point.

Not nearly enough people are as smart as you. Therefore I wear a suit.
 
Not nearly enough people are as smart as you. Therefore I wear a suit.
And you are wise to do so. Also thank you for showing up to participate and doing it in an effective manner, when people say "this is how we win" the most fundmental denominator of that is what you have just displayed.
 
How is judging people by what they wear collectivist? That's a form of communication that you have total choice and control over. It's the most visibly individualistic thing you can project about yourself before opening your mouth.
 
Come across as very conservative, easily influenced, highly religious... they'll accept you with open arms.
 
There are way more underground Ron Paul supporters than you realize in these GOP settings. I've seen it first hand on the local and state level. The problem is many are in upper level positions, entrenched, and afraid to stick out. They don't have the "freedom"(or "balls", depending on how you look at it) of never having been involved in politics like many of us.

Be friendly, talk about Ron Paul and I promise you'll be surprised who comes out of the woodwork. Not all GOP are neocons, prepare for the worst, but give
people the benefit of the doubt.
 
time is on our side, because the "old guard" of the Dumb Old Party will be replace by attrition, if nothing else.
take the GOP back !
 
How is judging people by what they wear collectivist? That's a form of communication that you have total choice and control over. It's the most visibly individualistic thing you can project about yourself before opening your mouth.
Projecting stereotypes, aka labels, onto people and coming to conclusions about them on that basis alone is quite prejudicial. The quality and/or validity of the thoughts an individual possesses is not derived (nor is it able to be accurately determined by) their choices in attire.
If one is willing to form judgements of an individual weighty enough to engender acceptance or hostility based solely on the categoricals of stereotype that to me drawing from a collectivist mindset.

My frame of reference on this:
Government and Racism by Ron Paul said:
"Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mind set that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist.

The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.

More importantly, in a free society every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Rather than looking to government to correct our sins, we should understand that racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual liberty"
 
That quote is about race, an unchangeable genetic characteristic. We are talking about clothes, something that can be changed in a matter of minutes. Something that is a conscious form of non-verbal communication used by all humans everywhere, that will never change. Doesn't matter if you're in streetwear or formal business attire. Attention to detail and style = respect. IF that's what you want. If you don't want respect well then F it... Go with the neckbeard.
 
You can always look at it (dressing up) as camouflage in a combat situation :D

You CAN talk foreign policy with older GOP people as long as you keep it out of the middle east. This summer, a lot of us went to a straw poll. There were a couple of women taking up a collection for a firend with an unfortunate medical situation. Talking, I mentioned where I worked and they were interested in what it was like to live "abroad".
This opened the door for me to talk about local politics, with several parties, and local issues. I got them on board about the election up the island where a guy won whose main issue was keeping the US Marines from building a base just off their coast. He won in a landslide. Then, I told how the US government approached Japan's PM to override the local citizens' decision. I asked them what they thought about a foreign nation negating a local election issue. I think they got the idea. If they are strong into small gov't local choices, stories like this can't help but hit a nerve.
By the way, it's been a long haul, but I think the Okinawans have won this one. Last I heard, the base is not going to be built.

At least in NH, you have a lot of company at GOP functions. At first it was interesting, with lots of Beck 9/12ers around. Seemed very sincere but not as knowledgeable. It was fun to share websites for education with them. I have no idea how they are doing now. Are they still around? Or have they been absorbed by the establishment or other groups?
 
That quote is about race, an unchangeable genetic characteristic. We are talking about clothes, something that can be changed in a matter of minutes. Something that is a conscious form of non-verbal communication used by all humans everywhere, that will never change. Doesn't matter if you're in streetwear or formal business attire. Attention to detail and style = respect. IF that's what you want. If you don't want respect well then F it... Go with the neckbeard.

The quote is not just about race and you're not addressing my analysis which proceeded it.
I'll cut it down still further, this from the quote since you're directly addressing that.
...believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist.
Racism is a nasty group label, a derogatory form of collectivist categorization. Or put another way it's a prejudicial subscription to stereotypes.
Or put even more bluntly, judging someone based on their superficial characteristics rather than their ideas is, well, superficial.
Governance isn't, or optimally should not be, about weighing the who above the what.

In point of fact one of the current problems with our political situation is that voters judge the quality of ideas based on who's presenting them and the quality of the person based on their persona rather than something of greater substance.

Obama is a great speaker, he's also totally dishonest and using his executive power to debase the fundamental aspects of this nation.
So he's well dressed and presents himself nicely, and his policies are profoundly detrimental and his record is dishonest. So don't vote based on shallow superficial traits UNLESS that's what you want. If you don't want voters and politicians who choose ideas by merit then F it... Go with focusing on the neckbeard.


You can always look at it (dressing up) as camouflage in a combat situation :D
Actually that's what I do now :D it's a good call (IMO) I just look forward to when political discourse is less of a combat situation and more of a mature debate. ;)

You CAN talk foreign policy with older GOP people as long as you keep it out of the middle east. This summer, a lot of us went to a straw poll. There were a couple of women taking up a collection for a firend with an unfortunate medical situation. Talking, I mentioned where I worked and they were interested in what it was like to live "abroad".
This opened the door for me to talk about local politics, with several parties, and local issues. I got them on board about the election up the island where a guy won whose main issue was keeping the US Marines from building a base just off their coast. He won in a landslide. Then, I told how the US government approached Japan's PM to override the local citizens' decision. I asked them what they thought about a foreign nation negating a local election issue. I think they got the idea. If they are strong into small gov't local choices, stories like this can't help but hit a nerve.
By the way, it's been a long haul, but I think the Okinawans have won this one. Last I heard, the base is not going to be built.
+rep :D

At least in NH, you have a lot of company at GOP functions. At first it was interesting, with lots of Beck 9/12ers around. Seemed very sincere but not as knowledgeable. It was fun to share websites for education with them. I have no idea how they are doing now. Are they still around? Or have they been absorbed by the establishment or other groups?
I personally have no idea on this but I'd be interested to find out :)
 
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When I went to vote (at a fire station in a small town of less than 3,000 people) I felt like I was walking into a lion's den.
"Under 30...not wearing plaid...smells like a Paul supporter." :rolleyes:
 
Second that. In Texas, dress business casual to business and I'd advice to wear a lapel pin such as an American flag or elephant. Red accents, not blue.
 
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