I asked a soldier today....

[Roxi]

I've done this a few times, and have received a similar answer in the past...

Talked to a guy today who had joined the Army and was leaving for boot camp soon. He was around 19. I asked him why he joined and got the typical answer "money, security, education" So then I asked him: "If a situation arises and you are given a direct order by your superior to round up American citizens, are you going to follow orders?" After arguing that that was a ridiculous scenario, he finally said "It depends on the situation" So I said "So you can fathom a situation where it would be acceptable to follow orders to round up unwilling participants?" He nodded, and I said, well I just have one piece of advice. If the time comes that you have to make a moral decision about a direct order, then please remember that your oath is to the Constitution, not to the American government.

I think I'll probably ask this every chance I get now.

 

[CPUd]

When they first get out of boot camp, they'll do whatever the guy with the stripes says to do. Depending on where they are stationed, some of their old self will probably start creeping back a few months in.

 

[oyarde]

Ridiculous , I hope all I have to worry about is a 19 yr old Mommas Boy, but I know better.

 

[freejack]

Can't risk defaulting on his student loans now can he?

 

[TonySutton]

Most people just entering the service have no idea. Talk to people just out of boot camp and then again about a year later and you will get very different answers.

I have confidence the majority of Staff Non-Commissioned Officers will do the right thing. The majority of these guys would consider themselves oath keepers even if they aren't dues paying members. Things happened in Vietnam when officers went off the deep end and I am sure you would see these things happen again if US soldiers and Marines were called upon to fight within our borders.

 

[fireworks_god]

I've done this a few times, and have received a similar answer in the past...

Talked to a guy today who had joined the Army and was leaving for boot camp soon. He was around 19. I asked him why he joined and got the typical answer "money, security, education" So then I asked him: "If a situation arises and you are given a direct order by your superior to round up American citizens, are you going to follow orders?" After arguing that that was a ridiculous scenario, he finally said "It depends on the situation" So I said "So you can fathom a situation where it would be acceptable to follow orders to round up unwilling participants?" He nodded, and I said, well I just have one piece of advice. If the time comes that you have to make a moral decision about a direct order, then please remember that your oath is to the Constitution, not to the American government.

I think I'll probably ask this every chance I get now.

It's a good question but I think that most soldiers aren't going to hold in much regard the Constitution. They'll likely be much more worried about the immediate consequences their actions of not following orders could have on their family members, for example.

 

[Pericles]

Ridiculous , I hope all I have to worry about is a 19 yr old Mommas Boy, but I know better.

Competent combat arms soldiers are my main concern.

 

[oyarde]

Competent combat arms soldiers are my main concern.

Correct and there are not as many as people may think , but too many for me .

 

[Pericles]

Correct and there are not as many as people may think , but too many for me .

This is where Oathkeepers has the most important impact. And why I need some more friends with backgrounds like mine.

 

[oyarde]

This is where Oathkeepers has the most important impact. And why I need some more friends with backgrounds like mine.

True , but there are not that many of us just randomly wandering around , , shame ,I will make do .The very best that I am able.

 

[Roxi]

Thanks for the responses, it will help when there is a next time. I almost mentioned Oathkeepers, but hadn't kept up with the happenings, and was worried about the status of their reputation. It's okay, I'll mention it next time I see him.

 

[phill4paul]

roxic27.. there is a powerful song in this encounter. Write it. Find someone within the liberty movement to record it.

 

[ClydeCoulter]