I am sad we only got 3 out of 4 of these, couldn't finish.

Of course, Trump blows!

Of course, Trump is an authoritarian and sucks! Is anyone here honestly suggesting otherwise?

BUT... if he blows up the establishment - that same bunch that's managed to maintain control of everything for decade after decade (government, media, currency, public perception, etc) - we will be continuing our battle with a whole NEW bunch of scumbags.

Won't we have a better chance of beating this newer, less-entrenched "establishment" - than the deep-rooted, many-tentacled bunch of turds that have been killing us from every direction, ALL THESE YEARS?

Disclaimer: I am NOT a Trump supporter! I won't be voting for Trump. Voting Rand Paul in the primary, Libertarian in general.
 
wmmonk said:
Had we concentrated on voting, and doing it the right way, we would have already had four out of four.
Maybe we should have an educational campaign JUST ON VOTING!?
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Good idea. Too many Americans these days think voting is pointless, a waste of time, or outright reject the idea on some wild anarchist type notion.

We need to make voting popular again. Maybe a younger, charismatic candidate can carry this message forward, about how important voting is to the democratic health of this great nation.

I am against however making voting mandatory. I think everybody should vote, but I also think they should have the freedom not to. But if they don't vote we should mark them as a terrorist and deport them as they probably hate America.
 
Valli6 said:
Of course, Trump is an authoritarian and sucks! Is anyone here honestly suggesting otherwise?

BUT... if he blows up the establishment - that same bunch that's managed to maintain control of everything for decade after decade (government, media, currency, public perception, etc) - we will be continuing our battle with a whole NEW bunch of scumbags.

Won't we have a better chance of beating this newer, less-entrenched "establishment" - than the deep-rooted, many-tentacled bunch of turds that have been killing us from every direction, ALL THESE YEARS?

Disclaimer: I am NOT a Trump supporter! I won't be voting for Trump. Voting Rand Paul in the primary, Libertarian in general.
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Right on the money.

We might as well enjoy Trump kicking ass on the neocons and establishment power brokers.

Meanwhile our mission to promote liberty at the local levels and through Congress is still in effect. The establishment of McCain/Graham is now weaker than they were 6 months ago.
 
TheTexan said:
Good idea. Too many Americans these days think voting is pointless, a waste of time, or outright reject the idea on some wild anarchist type notion.

We need to make voting popular again. Maybe a younger, charismatic candidate can carry this message forward, about how important voting is to the democratic health of this great nation.

I am against however making voting mandatory. I think everybody should vote, but I also think they should have the freedom not to. But if they don't vote we should mark them as a terrorist and deport them as they probably hate America.
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I voted really REALLY HARD today!

I am not vain enough to think that my single vote matters. I did it because it was the right thing to do.
I voted my conscious and left everything else blank.

I am hopeful others of good mind, will do the same and we can "primary" a certain Senator... :D
 
Valli6 said:
Won't we have a better chance of beating this newer, less-entrenched "establishment" - than the deep-rooted, many-tentacled bunch of turds that have been killing us from every direction, ALL THESE YEARS?
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Maybe in fantasyland you will. The State doesn't magically become anything different because you're allowed to "choose" a new master once in a term of years. The same powers will be brokered out to the same group of high bidders that will continue to lobby for it. In fact, by the look of things, there will be more power to be brokered out, no matter the outcome. Your liberties will continue to be stripped away. Your money will continue to be stolen and redistributed. And the State will continue to grow in size and scope alongside the debt being leveraged upon the tax-livestock who laughably think they're affecting any real change through the voting process.

This "establishment" you keep referring to isn't going anywhere. Don't kid yourself.
 
HVACTech said:
I voted really REALLY HARD today!

I am not vain enough to think that my single vote matters. I did it because it was the right thing to do.
I voted my conscious and left everything else blank.

I am hopeful others of good mind, will do the same and we can "primary" a certain Senator... :D
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You are a great American. On behalf of our country, I thank you.
 
TheTexan said:
Good idea. Too many Americans these days think voting is pointless, a waste of time, or outright reject the idea on some wild anarchist type notion.

We need to make voting popular again. Maybe a younger, charismatic candidate can carry this message forward, about how important voting is to the democratic health of this great nation.

I am against however making voting mandatory. I think everybody should vote, but I also think they should have the freedom not to. But if they don't vote we should mark them as a terrorist and deport them as they probably hate America.
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We CAN'T get to four out of four if we don't make voting mandatory. If Vermin is for mandatory tooth brushing laws, I'm sure he would be open to mandatory voting laws.
What is more American than voting?
Once it's mandatory and all electronic, then we will have the list and be able to easily see which ones are the true terrorists trying to destroy our government by shrinking it with these limited government ideas that are about as realistic as a non-pandering politician. Do they exist? Maybe? If they do, do they serve a real purpose?

It's like the Sasquatch. The only reason they "exist", is to make a dime off of it. Sell tapes. Do tours. Make radio programs with paid advertisers. All talking about things that might or might not be a big deal.

And a younger more charismatic candidate isn't what we need.

We need Vermin Supreme, in 2016!
 
HVACTech said:
I voted really REALLY HARD today!

I am not vain enough to think that my single vote matters. I did it because it was the right thing to do.
I voted my conscious and left everything else blank.

I am hopeful others of good mind, will do the same and we can "primary" a certain Senator... :D
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Did your voting machine break when you voted?
If not, how hard did you really vote?

But, if you say you did, I guess I have to take your word for it?

+rep
 
Cabal said:
You haven't explained much of anything. You sound like you're just regurgitating a bunch of meaningless soundbites with no basis in reality that you don't really understand.

You also haven't explained how you reconcile any of the buzzword-loaded bullshit you're peddling with that which obviously contradicts it. For example, Chris Christie endorsing and stumping for Trump. Last I checked, Chris Christie was well within whatever the fuck you like to vaguely refer to as "the establishment." Or are you suggesting he's suddenly "anti-establishment," too?

Lol.
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I don't know if you are ignorant or just dishonestly like pretending to be. Either way, here is some help.

Establishment:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-give-white-house-hillary-trump-shouldnt-win/
 
Cleaner44 said:
I don't know if you are ignorant or just dishonestly like pretending to be. Either way, here is some help.

Establishment:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-give-white-house-hillary-trump-shouldnt-win/
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What makes you think Trump can't be bought? What makes you think he won't invite his own group of special interests into bed? What makes you think he'll "upset the gravy train" of anyone in the first place?

I thought you were going to start being specific? What happened to being specific?

Again, what makes you think there won't be plenty of interests, and perhaps even many current interests happy with Trump?
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Still waiting for you to formulate any kind of actual response that doesn't rely on regurgitating substanceless soundbites (and now breitbart, lol).

Let me know when you're done being a jackass who can neither exercise adequate levels of reading comprehension, nor be bothered to defend the moronic claims you've made in any kind of substantive way.
 
Cabal said:
Still waiting for you to formulate any kind of actual response that doesn't rely on regurgitating substanceless soundbites (and now breitbart, lol).

Let me know when you're done being a jackass who can neither exercise adequate levels of reading comprehension, nor be bothered to defend the moronic claims you've made in any kind of substantive way.
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Well you can keep waiting because you are a dishonest asshat that pretends not to know what the establishment is.
 
Y'all know that's a fake quote right? It's a nice couple lines though.
 
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