Hurts Liberty Movement

[1836]

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matthew 10:28 KJV)

Matthew also says

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." (Matthew 7:1-2 KJV)

 

[1836]

Then, perhaps, Kyle should not have had written a hugely successful book gloating about his "kills".

Is it not sad any time someone dies? Kyle was killed in senseless violence. Isn't that sad? Shouldn't someone want to be careful about giving his family, his wife and children, space to breathe and grieve without having bad things said about them?

 

[LibertyEagle]

I've heard people all day trying to defend this snide tweet, and that only puts fuel on my fire.

Yes, but remember that they are not Ron Paul. He is not responsible for them.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

I heard people all day trying to defend this snide tweet, and that only puts fuel on my fire.

I'm calling your bluff. You're either trolling or suffering under a bout of Temporary Insanity.

 

[RickyJ]

I'm really let down by this. And that's after I left it alone for 8 hours. Ron should have apologized for the tweet. While I will continue to fight for liberty, I won't be the same after today when it comes to Ron Paul.

What he said was 100% true. He was quoting Jesus Christ that those take up the sword will perish with the sword. If that doesn't apply to Chris Kyle then I don't know who it does apply to. He also was right that a gun range was not a good place to take someone suffering from PTSD! You see Chris Kyle not only took up the "sword" he reveled in it and sought glory for doing so. And unlike most that serve in a war, he didn't feel bad about having to kill people, he enjoyed it and wish he would have killed more.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Matthew also says

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." (Matthew 7:1-2 KJV)

Then thank the heavens I'll never be a mass murderer, then gloat about it by calling my victims 'savages' and wishing I could have killed more of them.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Matthew also says

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." (Matthew 7:1-2 KJV)

Exactly, couldn't agree more.

Kyle called his "targets" savages, indicating that he clearly had judged them, and, having done so, deemed them worthy of death.

 

[mczerone]

It is called... common sense. Sheesh.

Hate it or not, today's political world deals in soundbytes and the one expressed in that initial tweet was horrible. The second one expressed the same sentiment, but was said in a way that people other than the true believers could hear what was being said.

In things such as statistics, probability, economics, and social psychology "common sense" is typically misguided. That's why people who wish to treat these fields as SCIENCES must seek evidence.

I agree that the second was better that the first, and that the first was less-than-perfect. But I can't imagine one person who would actually take time to learn the liberty message who would be so off-put by a "soundbyte". That's not to say that they don't exist, but the comments to the Daily Caller article show people who already hated Paul and this just reinforced their position, and those who already like Paul who, at worst, said that the message was right, but the time and form wasn't perfect. I didn't see one "I would've looked into the liberty message, but this is just too far out."

So again, where is the evidence? Show me that more people were lost than were gained. I haven't seen evidence for the numbers of either group.

 

[1836]

Exactly, couldn't agree more.

Kyle called his "targets" savages, indicating that he clearly had judged them, and, having done so, deemed them worthy of death.

And it is not our position to judge him. We know not the contents of his heart. Only God does.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Is it not sad any time someone dies? Kyle was killed in senseless violence. Isn't that sad? Shouldn't someone want to be careful about giving his family, his wife and children, space to breathe and grieve without having bad things said about them?

Yes, of course, see, the whole problem here is that somehow, a Christian truth and admonishment is somehow considered "insensitive" and "bad".

I find it a cautionary warning, totally appropriate to the time and place.

Hell, most of the Bible would be condemned, and frankly is, for the lack of "sensitivity" contained within.

 

[Anti Federalist]

And it is not our position to judge him. We know not the contents of his heart. Only God does.

Disagree.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

 

[phill4paul]

Yes, but remember that they are not Ron Paul. He is not responsible for them.

Proof? Still waiting.

 

[TruthisTreason]

I'm calling your bluff. You're either trolling or suffering under a bout of Temporary Insanity.

Right because I couldn't be someone who has spent countless hours defending Ron and fighting for liberty. I couldn't be someone who went to countless events and read every book of Ron's. And I couldn't be someone who gave an entire year of my life helping his son get elected. No, because then it might dawn on a few of you that this was hurtful to our own movement. And of course I should be attacked for not agreeing with some loud people on this forum.

 

[1836]

In things such as statistics, probability, economics, and social psychology "common sense" is typically misguided. That's why people who wish to treat these fields as SCIENCES must seek evidence.

I agree that the second was better that the first, and that the first was less-than-perfect. But I can't imagine one person who would actually take time to learn the liberty message who would be so off-put by a "soundbyte". That's not to say that they don't exist, but the comments to the Daily Caller article show people who already hated Paul and this just reinforced their position, and those who already like Paul who, at worst, said that the message was right, but the time and form wasn't perfect. I didn't see one "I would've looked into the liberty message, but this is just too far out."

So again, where is the evidence? Show me that more people were lost than were gained. I haven't seen evidence for the numbers of either group.

Where this hurts is in terms of how Ron Paul is perceived, which frankly, was doing pretty well since the primaries. Ron Paul had achieved the status of being a positive reference to some extent within many non-liberty circles, for his consistency and principle.

It is this kind of thing which undoubtedly makes those people less likely to think about Paul, at all or positively, and thus makes them less receptive to the message of liberty.

If you haven't gotten elected to a Republican party position, if you haven't dealt with the public humiliation of being a Ron Paul supporter in 2007 and 2008 in the face of some serious opposition, I would understand, but if you have, then I expect you to understand where I'm coming from, because it's those people who are so hard to reach and so much work has been done and it's easy to throw it away.

 

[LibertyEagle]

In things such as statistics, probability, economics, and social psychology "common sense" is typically misguided. That's why people who wish to treat these fields as SCIENCES must seek evidence.

I agree that the second was better that the first, and that the first was less-than-perfect. But I can't imagine one person who would actually take time to learn the liberty message who would be so off-put by a "soundbyte". That's not to say that they don't exist, but the comments to the Daily Caller article show people who already hated Paul and this just reinforced their position, and those who already like Paul who, at worst, said that the message was right, but the time and form wasn't perfect. I didn't see one "I would've looked into the liberty message, but this is just too far out."

So again, where is the evidence? Show me that more people were lost than were gained. I haven't seen evidence for the numbers of either group.

I have personally seen people who were starting to be much more open to what Ron Paul was saying. I've seen them start quoting him. The tweet has done damage. Whether you like it or not, people are known by the people they choose to associate with and this tweet is causing people to want to distance themselves from Ron Paul.

 

[mczerone]

And it is not our position to judge him. We know not the contents of his heart. Only God does.

You misread the scripture.

It is not that we should leave "judging" to god. It very clearly says only that you open yourself up for judgment when you judge others.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Oh this is all a tempest in a teapot anyways.

This is the "heroin comment" in the debate.

This is getting booed at the "Values Voters" debate.

This is "Ron Paul thinks America deserved 9/11" nonsense.

Been there done that and things just keep right on keeping on.

 

[1836]

You misread the scripture.

It is not that we should leave "judging" to god. It very clearly says only that you open yourself up for judgment when you judge others.

The hell I misread it, I'm Baptist.

 

[1836]

Right because I couldn't be someone who has spent countless hours defending Ron and fighting for liberty. I couldn't be someone who went to countless events and read every book of Ron's. And I couldn't be someone who gave an entire year of my life helping his son get elected. No, because then it might dawn on a few of you that this was hurtful to our own movement. And of course I should be attacked for not agreeing with some loud people on this forum.

Truth is Treason,

Tried to PM you to have a further conversation, your inbox is full. FYI

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[LibertyEagle]

Yeah, but wouldn't it be nice if we didn't keep having to recover from self-inflicted wounds?