human evolution's missing link found (95% complete fossil, w/ pics)

Dr.3D said:
To you it is a "bedtime story about mystical beings". I don't recall anything in the bible about mystical beings nor do I recall any mention of 'floating pens scribing on magical parchment." As for the scriptures having been "rewritten and changed 100's of times", there is evidence showing the the oldest writings found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, read nearly exactly as they do now except they are not in the English language. I have never been presented with any evidence the scriptures have been retouched in any way.

Edit: As for the New Testament scripture, there are many of the old copies around because they were mass produced by hand at the time. It is also interesting to note, they all agree as to the wording in each of them.
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To clarify, it is MY belief that the bible is a story, a fictional one. And it does have mystical beings (entities that take the form of burning bushes, and angels etc none of which are based in reality IMO).

And the floating pen on magical parchment was a direct rebuttal to LibertyEagle's smartass remark so I meant it to have bite. The point of it being that the bible being the "word of god" instead of a story written by man. If it wasn't written by man then it must have been a floating pen on paper possessed by a mystical being. See the connection?

So although the words were cynical in nature, they were hardly an attack.
 
LATruth said:
I'm not putting down your belief because it's fun, it's when those beliefs influence policy that polices the whole I have a problem. I'm not telling you what to believe.

Fossils are fact, species are fact, differences amongst species over time are fact, therefor I deduce evolution/natural selection is also a fact. When someone counters tangible items (fossils and dna etc) that seem to corroborate the claim of evolution with a religious faith based belief it seems (to me) highly illogical.

And I argue the point to try to understand the steps and logic the opposing side takes to IMO close the door and remain faithful to a book with incredible claims no one can reproduce. I can't seem to wrap my mind around it. I'm not trying to be an ass. After all I would love an afterlife. I just don't believe it exists.
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The problem is that those pitching evolution take mere hypotheses and theories and put them forth as if they are FACT. And then turn around and criticize Christianity, or the Bible as being "highly illogical". :rolleyes::p
 
LATruth said:
To clarify, it is MY belief that the bible is a story, a fictional one. And it does have mystical beings (entities that take the form of burning bushes, and angels etc none of which are based in reality IMO).

And the floating pen on magical parchment was a direct rebuttal to LibertyEagle's smartass remark so I meant it to have bite. The point of it being that the bible being the "word of god" instead of a story written by man. If it wasn't written by man then it must have been a floating pen on paper possessed by a mystical being. See the connection?

So although the words were cynical in nature, they were hardly an attack.
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You will find it futile to talk logic to people who talk imaginary.
There is an answer to everything, I was taught the deflections as part of my religious education.
It wasn't a magical pen, it was God's spirit working through a person to write god's words. Yet, I get these same people to admit that Paul's bigotry was just him speaking as a man from his time and culture.
Picking and choosing what they think is really god's words and what isn't..
Deciding what should be literally God's words and what is just the person.

Do you know how many God's we have in Alexandria? Every christian church must have a different god. Why? because each god has a different set of criteria of what is sinful or not.
One god thinks its ok to dance and drink, one god thinks its sinful.
one god wants people to observe saturday, the other wants sunday.

One wants you to cannibalize his son, the others want you to eat cookies.

It is absurd. And when you mention these inconsistencies. Then you are "attacking" christians.
Well, I'm not. I'm pointing out the obvious. People need to think. Stop trying to keep the walls of their house of cards together.
You can still seek a divine or greater being without old world hokus pokus.

You will never have a logical conversation with someone who refuses to see the facts around them. You might as well argue with a 3 year-old about fairy tales.
 
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coyote_sprit said:
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I saw that on a bus stop bench ad the other day.
i really don't want to know.
But I did see an ad earlier that promised to show you Bernake's secret plan to bring us back to prosperity.
I wish I had screened it. I may never see it again.
 
Fossils and Folly

LibertyEagle said:
The problem is that those pitching evolution take mere hypotheses and theories and put them forth as if they are FACT. And then turn around and criticize Christianity, or the Bible as being "highly illogical". :rolleyes::p
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That's pretty much what this thread has evolved into (mind the pun). I have yet to hear any rational case given for how the dead skeleton of a lemur is 100% evidence for the ancestry of primates. For one thing, it is impossible to even prove that to be true, since none of us were there when the fossilized creature was alive 47 million years ago, supposedly.

I find it absolutely shameful that some people are so desperate to prove humans are descendants of animals that they would force the public to view a fossil of what is obviously a lemur as an ancestor of us all. Yet, even on this forum where people are supposed to be so rational and logically sound we have members who are so blinded by the evolution religion that they can't even see the deception in their own theory. If you want to believe you come from a monkey, then go ahead. But don't sling poo at the rest of us who refuse to accept such a bullshit theory and refuse to bow down to some bones in the dirt as proof.
 
Theocrat said:
Yet, even on this forum where people are supposed to be so rational and logically sound we have members who are so blinded by the evolution religion that they can't even see the deception in their own theory. If you want to believe you come from a monkey, then go ahead. But don't sling poo at the rest of us who refuse to accept such a bullshit theory and refuse to bow down to some bones in the dirt as proof.
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Irony.
 
Theocrat said:
The real irony is that your name is "LATruth," and yet your whole life is based on a lie. You are not the descendant of an animal. You have greater worth than that.
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If you feel the need to have some divine purpose to give your life value go for it. I am okay with just being. I don't have to indoctrinate myself to a mystical bogeyman to have self worth. :)
 
LATruth said:
If you feel the need to have some divine purpose to give your life value go for it. I am okay with just being. I don't have to indoctrinate myself to a mystical bogeyman to have self worth. :)
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I promise, you will get bored with the circles you will get.
Of course theo knows and understand the one true god. all others are mistaken.
the quicker you realize this, the quicker you can drink Jones' Kool-aid too.
 
cjhowe said:
You need to go reread your biology book. Natural selection is specifically where heritable traits are passed to offspring that make them more likely to survive to produce offspring of their own or increase their fitness. There is no reliance. The body of accepted processes of evolution include all three. They're separate mechanism and separate explanations.
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"Natural selection is specifically where heritable traits are passed to offspring that make them more likely to survive to produce offspring of their own or increase their fitness."

And how do you suppose the bolded process works?
 
LibertyEagle said:
I claimed nothing besides the obvious that there are many more scientific facts in support of the Bible, than there ever were surrounding the theory of evolution. :)
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let's start with the low hanging fruit.

The Flood.

Can you show me evidence of a global flood that entirely covered the continents even though there is not enough water on the planet to do so?

You can call it a miracle, but then why claim that there is scientific evidence for it?
 
Evidence of a Global Flood

Mesogen said:
let's start with the low hanging fruit.

The Flood.

Can you show me evidence of a global flood that entirely covered the continents even though there is not enough water on the planet to do so?

You can call it a miracle, but then why claim that there is scientific evidence for it?
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Yeah, I can show you evidence of a global flood. Fossils. We find millions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth. You know what we would expect to find if there were a global flood? Millions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth. In order for things to fossilized, they have to be buried quickly. Otherwise, they would just rot away and be consumed by other organisms.
 
Theocrat said:
Yeah, I can show you evidence of a global flood. Fossils. We find millions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth. You know what we would expect to find if there were a global flood? Millions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth. In order for things to fossilized, they have to be buried quickly. Otherwise, they would just rot away and be consumed by other organisms.
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A flood would not necessarily bury things quickly, and organic material decomposes quickly underwater and often become food for ocean predators. Logically creatures that die on ice would make more sense...

You die, you lay on the ice preserved, ice covers you, its gets compact. Ice is water.
 
IMO, both "theories" can't be proved 100% but what I find more provable is something that is physical tangible and by our scientific advancements to carbon date fossils and rocks and global events to track animal species existence and then extinction.

One thing that is having issues with me is an invisible "being" that is everywhere that created everything in the know universe. As far as the bible or other "holy books" are just stories that are pasted down and stuck with people because they were good ideas and also for a crude beginning of law and order. People fear things greater then them like a "god" that created them, would scare you if your elders started to talk about these stories to the masses to civilize them.

That is my opinion on this matter. I believe more in evolution then ever think there is a "god: judging me.
 
LibertyEagle said:
The problem is that those pitching evolution take mere hypotheses and theories and put them forth as if they are FACT. And then turn around and criticize Christianity, or the Bible as being "highly illogical". :rolleyes::p
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scientific study, evidence, experimentation, data

v.

magic and mythology book
 
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