Huckabee threatens to leave GOP over gay marriage

[cajuncocoa]

Hmm, maybe we will see a split of the Republican party. If the Christian right left the party we'd be left with a much more 'libertarian' GOP. There wouldn't really be a need for the Libertarian party anymore.

I think you mean there wouldn't be a need for the GOP anymore.

 

[Matt Collins]

Hmm, maybe we will see a split of the Republican party. If the Christian right left the party we'd be left with a much more 'libertarian' GOP. There wouldn't really be a need for the Libertarian party anymore.

This is discussed at length and indepth here... it's really quite worth the listen:
http://www.cato.org/events/republican-partys-civil-war-will-freedom-win

 

[ZENemy]

I wish the liberty movement had the ability to co-opt the gay marriage movement and twist it into a "get government out of marriage" campaign. The political power that they have could be used for good instead of more government intrusion.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Makes me want to dress up in drag, look him up and personally thank him for the GOP embracing the queer community while hitting on him...

Short black mini or something more conservative... should I shave my legs... decisions, decisions...

-t

 

[erowe1]

I wish the liberty movement had the ability to co-opt the gay marriage movement and twist it into a "get government out of marriage" campaign. The political power that they have could be used for good instead of more government intrusion.

The anti-gay marriage people will eventually join us in this. But that won't happen until they've already lost and gay marriage becomes entrenched as the law of the land. And when that happens it will be too late to get rid of it.

 

[VIDEODROME]

Well, at least Gay people aren't having abortions Mike.

 

[torchbearer]

Well, at least Gay people aren't having abortions Mike.

Good point. Huckabee join the Log Cabin Republicans.

 

[outspoken]

Good, we need to start separating from the neocon wing. There are plenty of people who lean slightly to the left that are so turned off by these socially conservative yet liberal with the use of military goons that voting republican is still not an option. We really need a 3rd party but this would be the next best thing.

 

[erowe1]

Good, we need to start separating from the neocon wing. There are plenty of people who lean slightly to the left that are so turned off by these socially conservative yet liberal with the use of military goons that voting republican is still not an option. We really need a 3rd party but this would be the next best thing.

The neocon wing is socially liberal.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

The neocon wing is socially liberal.

You must have a different brand of neocons where you live. Here, most of the neocon faction are also Pharicons.

 

[euphemia]

That's ridiculous. The Christian right are the libertarians greatest allies in the party, and they are much more libertarian than the typical moderate Republican. It's them and us against the big-government neocon establishment. If they leave the party, we should join them. And we should make sure that we have more of a voice in the phoenix that rises out of the ashes than Huckabee does.

From my point of view, the Christian right is more libertarian than a lot of libertarians. That's certainly my experience.

Part of the problem is that very few people seem to understand the purpose and scope of marriage. It's like health insurance. it's not a panacea. It has a limited purpose and scope and will not resolve every relational issue that comes up. Even codified, legally married people aren't protected by marriage very much these days. The so-called right to privacy prevents me from knowing a lot of things about my husband.

Government intrusion has taken away the so-called right to privacy because they know whatever they want to know. They have used the so-called right to privacy to control how the information flows.

 

[loveshiscountry]

Bye Huck Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

 

[Cleaner44]

No I haven't. I'm no fan of his. But looking at the groups that make up the Republican coalition as a whole, I see the Christian Right as the one we most need on our side and the one that's closest to us ideologically.

But looking at the Republican coalition as a whole, I see a failed party that needs to be reforged. Let the BIG GOVT groups in the Republican coalition leave and let's replace them with people that currently avoid the mess that is the GOP. There are tons of Americans that avoid the whole disgusting Republicrat mess. Those people are the ones we most need on our side, in my opinion.

 

[parocks]

You must have a different brand of neocons where you live. Here, most of the neocon faction are also Pharicons.

You're using the blanket Ron Paul supporter use of the word neocon, invented in 2007.

Erowe1 is using the original definition from 1973.

Neocon does not equal everyone who doesn't agree with Ron Paul on military issues.

If you're in North Carolina, you don't have many neocons.

The first neocon was Irving Kristol, Bill Kristol's dad. He was famous in 1968 when he supported Humphrey, and it was a big deal when he announced that he'd be supporting Nixon in 1972.

Used in a sentence. Today, most regular GOP agree with the neocon foreign policy.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

You're using the blanket Ron Paul supporter use of the word neocon, invented in 2007.

Pretty sure I know what a neocon is.

I will not dignify petty and false assumptions by addressing them. If you actually want to discuss the subject, then you shouldn't do that, because that's offensive.

Erowe1 is using the original definition from 1973.

Neocon does not equal everyone who doesn't agree with Ron Paul on military issues.

If you're in North Carolina, you don't have many neocons.

The first neocon was Irving Kristol, Bill Kristol's dad. He was famous in 1968 when he supported Humphrey, and it was a big deal when he announced that he'd be supporting Nixon in 1972.

Used in a sentence. Today, most regular GOP agree with the neocon foreign policy.

 

[TheCount]

I wish the liberty movement had the ability to co-opt the gay marriage movement and twist it into a "get government out of marriage" campaign. The political power that they have could be used for good instead of more government intrusion.

It won't happen so long as people like Huckabee want to use government to enforce their religious beliefs on others.

 

[Christian Liberty]

The moderate GOP establishment is definitely hell bent on being war mongering drug warriors. But I don't see either of those issues as being among the ones the Christian right defines itself with. Of all the candidates in 2008, Huckabee was probably less of both of those things than any of the more socially moderate establishment guys. Pat Robertson is for legalizing marijuana. So are Pat Buchanan and Tom Tancredo. The biggest drug warriors are the neocons, the same Giuliani types that the Christian right wants to distance itself from that we also want to.

I guess this really depends on the person. I know some people who are "Christian right" who are mostly just worried about protecting life and marriage and are either close to libertarians or indifferent to most other issues. But I know others who are hell-bent on more war and making sure drugs are never legalized, as well as being in favor of lots of spying. I'd say I know more people in the second category than the first.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Please let this happen. If Huck and his army leave, the GOP will be some much more attractive to a much larger group of voters. Huck and his ilk are the Achilles heel of the GOP. Just image if the GOP stood for freedom instead of force and statism according to his version of Christianity.

I don't agree. Huck may very well be an ass, in fact I most assuredly believe he's a big government leftist. But, from reading a lot on the forum his supporters created back when he ran, they are in fact very close to who have been Ron's supporters through the many years before supporting him became the "in" thing. In other words, many of them are great folks who thought Huckabee stood for many of the things that Dr. Paul did, but without the crazy factor. This crazy factor being created mostly by MSM's twisting of Dr. Paul's words, but also from fumbling by Dr. Paul himself, unfortunately.

 

[Brett85]

If the Christian right left the party we'd be left with a much more 'libertarian' GOP.

Not hardly. The Christian right is generally more libertarian than most other elements of the Republican Party. You would probably just be left with a bunch of Rockefeller Republicans if the Christian right left the party.

 

[euphemia]

I think it would be very helpful if secular libertarians would be intellectually honest and try to learn more about the faith of their Christian libertarian friends. Most of the Christians I know do quite well at reading the Constitution and applying the principles in a very objective way.

Dr. Paul is a Christian.