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Huckabee getting large Ron Paul voting support???
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IF YOU'RE FOR RON PAUL - VOTE FOR RON PAUL !! 
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If You’re for Ron Paul, Vote for Ron Paul
http://people.ronpaul2008.com/campaign-updates/2008/02/11/if-youre-for-ron-paul-vote-for-ron-paul/
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If You’re for Ron Paul, Vote for Ron Paul
http://people.ronpaul2008.com/campaign-updates/2008/02/11/if-youre-for-ron-paul-vote-for-ron-paul/
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If You’re for Ron Paul, Vote for Ron Paul
In a few supporter forums the idea is going around that one way to help Ron Paul might be to vote for Mike Huckabee in the hope that if Huckabee wins enough delegates we might get a brokered convention in the fall. Most of the supporters who like this idea at least say that it should only be tried in those winner-take-all primary states where Ron Paul has the least favorable odds.
I strongly advise against this tactical voting. Ron Paul is serious when he says he wants to win every possible vote as well as every possible national delegate. That includes your vote, even if the state you’re in presents seemingly unsurmountable odds against Dr. Paul. Our candidate is fighting hard for the nomination, and his goal, which should be our goal, is not to try to create a brokered convention, but to win every vote he can. The nomination is at stake, and much more is at stake too, including the future of the Republican Party and the future of the Republic. To build up the Ron Paul revolution, we need to show as much strength as possible in every contest, and we need the support and loyalty of everyone who wants to get back to the Constitution.
The deal worked out between our delegates and Mike Huckabee’s in West Virginia was one thing. Ron Paul was eliminated in the first round of voting and did not appear on the ballot in the second round, so our delegates who voted for Huckabee were not deserting Ron Paul — and, crucially, they were voting for Huckabee only because Huckabee’s people promised three national delegates for Dr. Paul. That kind of bargaining is sound. But voting for a candidate other than Ron Paul when there isn’t any chance of getting delegates for Dr. Paul, merely in the hope of having a brokered convention, only weakens the Ron Paul movement rather than strengthening it. We need every vote.
The same goes for leaving the Republican Party and registering as something else. Ron Paul has said how much he respects third parties. But Dr. Paul is in a fight to take back the Republican Party, and to do that he needs all of us to stay with him. I know this can be unpleasant — I registered as an independent when I moved to Delaware last year, and had to switch my registration back to the Republican Party that had left me years before in order to vote for Ron Paul. But however large the problems of the Republican Party may be (and they’re titanic) the one man in whom I have confidence to bring the party back to small-government, non-interventionist, constitutional principles is Ron Paul. If he’s not going third party, neither am I.
Tomorrow there are critical contests in Virginia, Maryland, and the District of Columbia. If you live in those states, get out and vote — for Ron Paul.
In a few supporter forums the idea is going around that one way to help Ron Paul might be to vote for Mike Huckabee in the hope that if Huckabee wins enough delegates we might get a brokered convention in the fall. Most of the supporters who like this idea at least say that it should only be tried in those winner-take-all primary states where Ron Paul has the least favorable odds.
I strongly advise against this tactical voting. Ron Paul is serious when he says he wants to win every possible vote as well as every possible national delegate. That includes your vote, even if the state you’re in presents seemingly unsurmountable odds against Dr. Paul. Our candidate is fighting hard for the nomination, and his goal, which should be our goal, is not to try to create a brokered convention, but to win every vote he can. The nomination is at stake, and much more is at stake too, including the future of the Republican Party and the future of the Republic. To build up the Ron Paul revolution, we need to show as much strength as possible in every contest, and we need the support and loyalty of everyone who wants to get back to the Constitution.
The deal worked out between our delegates and Mike Huckabee’s in West Virginia was one thing. Ron Paul was eliminated in the first round of voting and did not appear on the ballot in the second round, so our delegates who voted for Huckabee were not deserting Ron Paul — and, crucially, they were voting for Huckabee only because Huckabee’s people promised three national delegates for Dr. Paul. That kind of bargaining is sound. But voting for a candidate other than Ron Paul when there isn’t any chance of getting delegates for Dr. Paul, merely in the hope of having a brokered convention, only weakens the Ron Paul movement rather than strengthening it. We need every vote.
The same goes for leaving the Republican Party and registering as something else. Ron Paul has said how much he respects third parties. But Dr. Paul is in a fight to take back the Republican Party, and to do that he needs all of us to stay with him. I know this can be unpleasant — I registered as an independent when I moved to Delaware last year, and had to switch my registration back to the Republican Party that had left me years before in order to vote for Ron Paul. But however large the problems of the Republican Party may be (and they’re titanic) the one man in whom I have confidence to bring the party back to small-government, non-interventionist, constitutional principles is Ron Paul. If he’s not going third party, neither am I.
Tomorrow there are critical contests in Virginia, Maryland, and the District of Columbia. If you live in those states, get out and vote — for Ron Paul.
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Yes, the lynch mob is in full bloom again tonight, I see. I realize that you are frustrated and want to identify someone or something to take your frustration out on, but perhaps you should use the "critical thinking" that you are espousing in your posts, before you do so. One, your threads were not sent to oblivion. The Admins setup a forum for such discussions. The subforum is called, "National Convention". This is no different than how other pointed discussions are handled, such as the "Washington March", which also has its own subforum.
To attempt to clarify the situation, headquarters also issued a communication last night to all Ron Paul supporters, that they titled, "If you're for Ron Paul, Vote for Ron Paul". In case you missed it, I will repeat it for you here.
I highly recommend that you step back, take a deep breath and realize we are all on the same side here.
Thank You.
To attempt to clarify the situation, headquarters also issued a communication last night to all Ron Paul supporters, that they titled, "If you're for Ron Paul, Vote for Ron Paul". In case you missed it, I will repeat it for you here.
I highly recommend that you step back, take a deep breath and realize we are all on the same side here.
Thank You.
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Full disclosure, I missed any earlier discussions of all this, and I'm not up on the details.
I don't know how many Virginia delegates are RP delegates, how many rounds delegates are bound until they can vote for whoever they want to ect.
Point being, it would be nice if people became involved in threads about REAL productive ideas as much as they become involved in threads
where they complain, and watch youtube vids, and digg articles and attack each other.
Ron has always said it's about the message, not just this election, but this Revolutionary message.
What if I told you that there was a great way that we could spread the message that Ron says it's always been about,
but no one bothers to pay any attention to it, and instead prefer to read and post in a thread that's mostly useless like this one?
A way that even citizens from other countries can donate to, in unlimited amounts.
A way that U.S. citizens can donate to in unlimited amounts, and even deduct the donations from their taxes.
Wow, we can promote the message, even helping other candidates running with the same message,
accept unlimited donations from ANYONE in the world, and U.S. Citizens can even deduct the donations from their taxes.
It sounds about as perfect a vehicle to use to spread the Freedom Revolution message as can be!
And then, what if everyone ignored a thread that perfect method was posted in, and instead kept threads like this one alive?
That would be a shame, and completely void of critical thinking, wouldn't it?
Well guess what? That's EXACTLY what has happened MORE than once.
And it's being done AGAIN today.
Non U.S. Citizens - Maxed Out Donors - U.S. Tax Deductible Donation Idea for Ads
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1249069
I hate to break the news to everyone, but often times you get what you deserve.
For months and months now, people here have CONTINUALLY IGNORED GOOD THREADS AND IDEAS, and kept dumb threads and ideas alive.
One reaps what one sows.
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LibertyEagle
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Mark, is this your church you're talking about again?
It's a 9 year old incorporated 501(c)3 organization that can accept unlimited tax deuctible donations.
UNLIMITED donations from EVERYONE in the world.
It can run Voter Educational ads ect just like any other 501(c)3 corporation.
The same thing a big 501(c)3 can do though it's organizational structure, can be done through it.
And yes, AGAIN, and it's being IGNORED, again.
If people had gotten on board months ago, we could have educated EVERY PERSON IN AMERICA about what's going on by now.
And gained A LOT of votes for Ron.
Didn't most of us join Ron's efforts by first learning about the issues?
The same thing could have happened by now for untold numbers of voters if people understood the power and potential
of presenting the issues to people and allowing them to make up their own mind based on the facts.
It may be a bit late for Ron in THIS election now, but there are other RP Platform candidates running,
and still time to promote the message even beyond the election.
Yes, the loss of months of advertising the issues has done the Ron Paul Presidential Campaign in.
God presented everyone of you a method to win this election, and everyone ignored it.
Again, ye shall reap what ye have sown.
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Mike Huckabee is the most deceitful GOP candidate for President since Richard M. Nixon.
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I for one find your calls for everyone to donate to your church to be in poor taste.
I choose not to donate to you for that reason.
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Only if he runs for the unemployment office.
He'll pay for his deceitfulness, especially since he does it under the mantle of being a "minister". In fact, he'll pay even a higher price because of it.
Here's a good article:
http://newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin427.htm
WHAT'S WITH ALL THESE CLUELESS CHRISTIANS?
By Pastor Chuck Baldwin
February 12, 2008
NewsWithViews.com
"For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs
and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect." Mark 13:22
(KJV)
"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they
should believe a lie." II Thessalonians 2:11 (KJV)
What's with all these clueless Christians?
How is it that people who have the benefit of the indwelling Holy Spirit,
and the warning and insight of the Sacred Scriptures-
-not to mention a rich Christian heritage here in America-
-can be so ignorant, blind, and naive?
Yes, the majority of evangelical Christians seem to be all of the above.
The problem has passed being serious: it is catastrophic!
How is it that we have drifted away from being an informed, active,
knowledgeable, and dedicated group of highly motivated Christian
patriots to a group of impotent and anemic sheep?
Our Christian forebears must be turning over in their graves, because
we are in the process of squandering the greatest human sacrifice-
-save that of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ--ever made:
the sacrifice of America's Founding Fathers.
The problem is manifold, of course. For the most part, our pastors have
become glorified politicians and business executives.
As attorneys are not schooled in the Constitution, today's ministers are not
schooled in the Scriptures. They are motivational speakers,
salesmen, and business managers.
The Bible is only used as a side reference, if at all.
It isnot taught or preached literally. Pastors go through the Bible the way
people go through a salad bar: gleaning a few sweet-tasting morsels and
rejecting everything that appears the least bit distasteful.
Then there is the "fit-in-with-the-brethren" mentality.
The politicos in Washington, D.C., have nothing on many pastors' fellowship groups.
Fitting in with the denomination seems to be a far greater priority than
being an independent man of God.
And, of course, let's not forget the importance of not "making waves"
with the deacons, elders, or church trustees.
In a word, today's pastors have been very effectively neutered.
Another problem is the way our pastors and churches have become
"success" driven. Churches used to focus on truth and discipleship. No
more. The church-growth movement of the last three decades has produced
a generation of Christians much more concerned about crowds, buildings,
and activities than they are fidelity to truth. Church has become a
numbers game where success is measured by attendance and offerings.
There is yet another problem: today's churches are completely enamored
with power. No, not the power of God. They are completely infatuated
with the power of men. Rich men. Popular men. Influential men.
Celebrities. Politicians. Millionaires. Sports stars, etc.
Yet, listen to what God tells us about rich and powerful men. "Do not
rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?" James 2:6
(KJV)
Historically, it has always been the super-wealthy, super-powerful
elements of society that have brought tyranny and persecution to God's
people. It is the political and business elite who have trampled
people's freedoms and liberties, enslaved their children, and ravaged
their lands and properties.
Nothing has changed: the super-elite in the United States and Europe are
continuing to do what they have always done. Both the Republican and
Democrat parties are controlled by those who desire to create a
globalistic society in which they will control the world's materials and
peoples.
Both George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush have contributed to the
tyrannical goals and ambitions of the super-elite. So has Bill Clinton.
If John McCain, Mike Huckabee, Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama is
elected, they will follow in the globalist footsteps of their
predecessors.
The Christian professions of our political leaders mean nothing.
Absolutely nothing! Putting an "R" behind his or her name also means
nothing. Neither does calling oneself a "conservative" mean anything.
Our political leaders are mostly walking in lockstep with the evil
designs of the super-wealthy. Ditto for the executives who control our
major media.
And our Christians and ministers seem to be absolutely clueless.
James Dobson endorses Mike Huckabee, as does Jerry Falwell, Jr., while
Gary Bauer endorses John McCain. Yet, the truth is, one is as bad as the
other. In fact, Huckabee is posturing himself to be McCain's running
mate after McCain wins the nomination. Does anyone really believe that
Mike Huckabee would turn down an invitation from John McCain to be his
running mate? Get serious! Mike Huckabee would support the liberal,
Big-Government John McCain with all of the enthusiasm he could muster.
Why? Because Huckabee, himself, is a Big-Government liberal who has
joined ideological forces with the super-elite who run both parties.
And no one within the Religious Right seems to get it. Say you are
"pro-life" and "pro-family" and you are "in." Forget the Constitution.
Forget national sovereignty and independence. Forget the principles of
sound money. Forget the Bill of Rights. Forget "Just War" theory. Forget
non-interventionism. Forget protecting American jobs and manufacturing.
Forget putting America first. It's all about getting along with the
establishment, having a seat at the table, and enjoying the perks of
power.
Christians are supposed to be different. We are supposed to think
differently. We are clearly commanded to "be not conformed to this
world."
In addition, as Americans, our heritage and history is that of being
"non-conformist." We loved liberty, freedom, and independence. We
recognized no sovereign authority, save that of Jesus Christ. We
believed in self-reliance and hard work. We didn't expect government
handouts or charity. We believed in disciplining our children and did
not expect that they would learn their values from government schools.
We viewed human government with deep suspicion and demanded that it be
held in check by powerful Bible preaching and by the constraints and
restrictions of the U.S. Constitution.
Remember, it was the political and business elite who killed the Old
Testament prophets, persecuted the early church, and crucified the Lord
Jesus Christ. It was the political and business elite who oppressed our
Pilgrim forebears. It was the political and business elite who tried to
stamp out liberty and independence from the American colonies. And it is
those same political and business elite who are forcing globalism,
socialism, and fascism upon the American people today.
And our pastors and churches seem to be absolutely clueless.
Furthermore, when someone appears from outside the elitist mainstream,
someone such as Congressman Ron Paul, he is ostracized, ignored, and
even lampooned by the very people who should embrace and support him
most: evangelical Christians.
The truth is, America is in the doo-doo we are in because of the
cluelessness and cowardice of today's Christians. Or, has the elect been
deceived? Have they succumbed to delusion? The result is the same either way.
Chuck Baldwin Live
P.O. Box 37070
Pensacola, Florida 32526
© 2008 Chuck Baldwin - All Rights Reserved
Christian cluelessness runs rampant on this forum too among some.
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DahuiHeeNalu
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I would feel like i committed treason if i voted anyone except Dr. Paul
Excuse the hijack, but could someone explain just how many delegates RP has?
There's this anti RP guy posting this...
McCain with 729 delegates
Romney with 288
Huckabee with 241
and Ron Paul with 14!
...all over youtube on any video of Ron Paul, is it true he only has 14 delegates?
Seems ridiculous to me, but doing a Google search seemed only to verify it
There's this anti RP guy posting this...
McCain with 729 delegates
Romney with 288
Huckabee with 241
and Ron Paul with 14!
...all over youtube on any video of Ron Paul, is it true he only has 14 delegates?
Seems ridiculous to me, but doing a Google search seemed only to verify it
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Excuse the hijack, but could someone explain just how many delegates RP has?
There's this anti RP guy posting this...
McCain with 729 delegates
Romney with 288
Huckabee with 241
and Ron Paul with 14!
...all over youtube on any video of Ron Paul, is it true he only has 14 delegates?
Seems ridiculous to me, but doing a Google search seemed only to verify it
This isn't true. That is what CNN estimates. The way they estimate is way off from reality especially in caucus states. Many of the states they have numbers for haven't even decided on delegates yet. Also in the caucus states we got a lot more delegates elected than our percentage of the straw polls. The campaign said we had about 42 before WA and we got double the delegates of the other 2 in WA even though we came in 3rd.
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Mark, I did not insult your church. I only asked you if that was what you were referring to.
This is the 2nd time I have seen this from you, Mark and I am getting pretty darn tired of it. Who are you to decide how I, or anyone else, should spend their OWN money? Much less whether some of us even have the money to give right now?
I highly recommend you keep your hands in your OWN pockets, from here on out, Mark.
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