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[Matthanuf06]

minimal intellectual backing? Please. My vote goes only to Paul because it's the only man I'd ever vote for. Why in the world would I vote for Romney? I'm not trying to advance Ron Paul's career to VP, i'm trying to end wars, end debt, end the fed, and restore our civil liberties... none of which would occur under a Romney presidency no matter who the VP is.

You say this isn't about a man, it's about a movement... and you are absolutely correct. And the movement requires we end these wars. now. it requires we audit/end the fed. now. it requires we reestablish our civil liberties. now.

getting Ron Paul in as VP accomplishes none of this. It delays the movement, it sidelines it. You know what Romney/Paul will get us? Certainly not Rand in 2016. More likely? Either Obama gets another term, or Romney/Not Paul in 2016, followed by a Dem in 2020. The liberty movement will be crushed.

Telling the world you'd vote for Romney/Paul is the equivalent of telling the establishment 'meh, you don't need to give us Paul as prez, because ultimately, we'll be voting for Romney'. They no longer need to listen to you.

I'm not okay with that. I never will be. I realize you guys think you're on the high ground, willing to compromise for the cause of liberty, but I don't think you're on the high ground. I think you don't realize that you're enabling the establishment to do exactly what they do every four years, because you hold on hope that maybe, just maybe, they'll magically change. They won't.

They will give just enough to convince you to vote for their man, and then in a year or so you'll realize they were lying to you and all you got was a lousy t-shirt.

We can disagree. I want what is best for this country and myself long term with a consideration for the short term. Liberty and freedom is the solution, as I'm sure you believe as well, we just see different paths to it.

Paul losing and retiring would hurt the movement. Right now the public ties the movement to Paul. If Paul moves on prior to firming up the movement many gains will be lost. We need people to follow the movement and not just the man. We have a ways to go for that.

A huge issue for us electability and frankly kookiness. Being VP wipes that off the page. It adds serious legitimacy to the cause. The movement would be far better off in the long term.

What I don't get is so many people here work their asses off for the long term viability of the movement, yet the only see things in absolutes. There is a thing called baby steps. Some liberty is superior to none. All or nothing is just crazy, and I feel you'd be dramatically disappointed with a Paul presidency because of it. You can't just wake up tomorrow and institute a 0% income tax, you can't just walk over to the Fed building and padlock the doors, you can't just make a call and fly every troop home and close every base. It takes time to unwind all of that. And that assumes you even have congressional support.

So we need to take every baby step, every policy position that moves us closer to the goal. You won't get a hero that walks in, and flips the switch from no liberty to all liberty. There is no superhero. It's going to take hundreds of politicians at every level making those baby steps year after year, moving us closer and closer to the ultimate goal. Paul being VP would open up more doors for the true torch bearers of the movement at all levels of government. Obviously even moreso as POTUS

And on a side note it is ridiculous anyone can say Romney and Obama are the same. They aren't. You can certainly argue that they are equally bad, but they get their bad from different things. Romney is most likely less bad on the things I think are far more important, such as the deficit.

 

[Matthanuf06]

+1



That's for sure He doesn't mind buying votes of those numbnuts that believe him & hope that he'll keep his word

I think it's time mods consider banning Romney-bots, otherwise this going to destroy liberty-movement into which we've invest so efforts into over last few years May be give'em a warning & if they keep trolling in favor of Romney then just ban them

Yeah banning independent thought for herd behavior will reall help the movement. Do you want a cult or a movement? If you want a movement, then you need to learn to be slightly more inclusive. If we aren't allowed to differentiate candidates not named Paul then this is truly a cult. The fact that we "have to" think all non Paul candidates are the exact same adds to the kooky label that harms the movement. If anything the cultists need to be warned so they'd become more welcoming to new people, you know the people needed to win elections, which is needed to you know, impact public policy.

 

[cindy25]

not instantaneous, but time is limited.

a Paul presidency is likely to be one term, and a Dem in 2016 is not only possible but likely. congress is entrenched by special interests

some things will take a while, but closing bases won't take that long; just by bringing home those troops on their schedule, but not sending new ones would end foreign bases in 2-3 years. no congress needed, just power of the c-in-c

just by ending the withholding tax , which can be done by exec order , would permanently destroy the income tax; just look at the Obama SS tax cut.

pardon power can effectively end the drug war, as well as a host of other laws

a fed hiring freeze , coupled by no pay increases, and frustrated working conditions would shrink the fed work force by 25% in 4 years, maybe more.

 

[speciallyblend]

will never support a romney/paul ticket. Paul/Romney is doable.

 

[speciallyblend]

We can disagree. I want what is best for this country and myself long term with a consideration for the short term. Liberty and freedom is the solution, as I'm sure you believe as well, we just see different paths to it.

Paul losing and retiring would hurt the movement. Right now the public ties the movement to Paul. If Paul moves on prior to firming up the movement many gains will be lost. We need people to follow the movement and not just the man. We have a ways to go for that.

A huge issue for us electability and frankly kookiness. Being VP wipes that off the page. It adds serious legitimacy to the cause. The movement would be far better off in the long term.

What I don't get is so many people here work their asses off for the long term viability of the movement, yet the only see things in absolutes. There is a thing called baby steps. Some liberty is superior to none. All or nothing is just crazy, and I feel you'd be dramatically disappointed with a Paul presidency because of it. You can't just wake up tomorrow and institute a 0% income tax, you can't just walk over to the Fed building and padlock the doors, you can't just make a call and fly every troop home and close every base. It takes time to unwind all of that. And that assumes you even have congressional support.

So we need to take every baby step, every policy position that moves us closer to the goal. You won't get a hero that walks in, and flips the switch from no liberty to all liberty. There is no superhero. It's going to take hundreds of politicians at every level making those baby steps year after year, moving us closer and closer to the ultimate goal. Paul being VP would open up more doors for the true torch bearers of the movement at all levels of government. Obviously even moreso as POTUS

And on a side note it is ridiculous anyone can say Romney and Obama are the same. They aren't. You can certainly argue that they are equally bad, but they get their bad from different things. Romney is most likely less bad on the things I think are far more important, such as the deficit.

It is ridiculous to think romney is not status quo like obama! bottom line if they do not nominate Ron Paul, I will not be supporting status quo!

 

[Delivered4000]

It won't happen, guys

 

[Matthanuf06]

It is ridiculous to think romney is not status quo like obama! bottom line if they do not nominate Ron Paul, I will not be supporting status quo!

You seriously think Obama has the same ideology and policy positions as Romney?

How on earth are we supposed to persuade others to vote for Paul when we don't even know what the other candidates stand for?

 

[wgadget]

Please remember that hubby is a somewhat disinterested Paul supporter who only sees the power of the match-up to beat Obama in the general election.

He's not a Paulbot, by any means.

 

[Czolgosz]

I voted status quo a couple times in the past. I have learned from my mistakes.


Hear me now and listen to me later, my friends; I will *never* again vote for one of those assholes. Pardon my French.

 

[speciallyblend]

You seriously think Obama has the same ideology and policy positions as Romney?

How on earth are we supposed to persuade others to vote for Paul when we don't even know what the other candidates stand for?

on foreign policy yes on big gov policies yes, on small differences no, but those mean nothing just status quo rhetoric. so yes i believe an obama/romney ticket would be the same in rhetoric and they should run a unity ticket for status quo if bush doesn't take obama's vp spot.

 

[Paul Or Nothing II]

Do you want a cult or a movement?

YOU are the cultist that's why you're like "oh, the movement will go down once Paul retires so let's compromise & take a useless position"

NO, the movement WILL go on with Ron or without him, because once a person is awoken to liberty, s/he can never go back to being a drone, Paul has been a good ambassador to liberty but I'm sure he knows more than anyone that he'll face MASSIVE backlash & he'll be considered a sellout if he compromises & goes with an establishment candidate

It's only because I believe it's a movement & NOT a cult that I wouldn't expect a compromise, as I've said before it's the compromising attitude of people like you is what makes Washington what it is & it is what has brought this country on the verge of catastrophic collapse!

Let me ask simple a question - what guarantee is there that Romney will follow his word after the election? NONE, even Obama-people are cussing themselves for believing lies & you simply seem to underestimate Bombney's ability to lie & flip-flop despite clear evidence to the contrary

"My country has in its wisdom contrived for me the most insignificant office that ever the invention of man contrived or his imagination conceived."
-John Adams on vice-presidency

will never support a romney/paul ticket. Paul/Romney is doable.

Romeny/Paul = nothing changes because VP is useless
Paul/Romney = Paul has an "accident", Romney becomes president

Remember, this is the biggest game in town & there are TRILLIONS at stake for the mega-banks, mega-corporations & other special-interests & they won't mind spilling a little blood if they have to

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I couldn't support Romney for any reason...unless he truly and honestly underwent a genuine paradigm shift a la Walter Jones and became a Paul acolyte...which is simply not going to happen, but theoretically if it did then I could be persuaded because it's all about the platform and not the person, obviously. The odds against that happening, of course, are 300 Million to one, so realistically it is simply not going to happen. That said, I consider the big-government power social conservatives a bigger obstacle to our movement going forward than the neoconservatives.

The neocons are more rabid in deportment, but the govpower socialcons have a far more passionate base in the electorate and are therefore more dangerous. If I lose my primary in May it will be entirely due to the govpower socialcons, so I would love an opportunity to shut them down for the sake of future races at the state, local, and congressional levels. I couldn't support Romney for the sake of that opportunity of course, but on some level I would be joyful at taking the govpower socialcons down a peg. They have forgotten both the will and way of God and the intent of America in their attempt to install morality at the point of a gun.

 

[Paul Or Nothing II]

It won't happen, guys

WE know that but obviously these paid Romeny-trolls don't realize that! They don't know Paul very well yet! He's one of the most rigid liberty-supporters ever & he's NOT going to play these Washington-games because he'd know that NOTHING would be accomplished out of it!

 

[iamse7en]

I'm confused. Who is hubby?

 

[Paul Or Nothing II]

I'm confused. Who is hubby?

Hubby = husband

So, the OP is talking about her Husband.

 

[speciallyblend]

You seriously think Obama has the same ideology and policy positions as Romney?

How on earth are we supposed to persuade others to vote for Paul when we don't even know what the other candidates stand for?

mitt romney stands for everything on each side depending on what side of the fence he is on. =romney stands for nothing.

As for medical marijuana romney will never get my vote. Romney thinks morphine is ok but not medical marijuana. My wife needs medical marijuana over morphine. Romney would perfer killing my wife cause that is exactly what morphine would do. On medical marijuana alone(big gov romney) would force my wife to take hard drugs to deal with her pain! Romney has no position on anything other then talking out his ass!

so you will probably say is that your big issue? Well when it comes to my wifes health, HELL YES, when you have 14 fused vertebrae then you might have something to say about it.

I support ron paul on foreign policy,ending the drug war and balancing the budget. Which romney fails on every issue! You better let the gop know it is Paul/Romney or Paul/insert pauls choice. bottom line the gop has 2 options support Ron Paul or elect obama/romney(status quo). deal with it. ps i know exactly what romney stands for nothing. I have heard him. He will not cut one dime for the budget. he will continue the illegal wars,illegal drug wars and not follow the us constitution. Romney will do nothing but talk. We all know what romney stands for NOTHING!! the only difference between romney and obama is their lying rhetoric!!


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[Cap]

Romney has no core values. Even if Romney said he was a true blue Ron Paul acolyte, it would be just pandering. No way, no how to any of the establishment candidates. I feel it is safe to say that with the majority of us that are in the movement, it's Ron Paul and no one else. The GOP has tried to thwart the Paul message at every turn and therefore deserve what they have coming. As the saying goes, you reap what you sow. The GOP establishment is anti-liberty/freedom. IMO, they and of course Romney, can go fellate themselves.

 

[wgadget]

The economy (debt/deficit) will solve a lot of the neocon's problems whether they like it or not. It will also solve a lot of the social entitlement problems. In fact, there really won't be a whole lot of extra money lying around to increase Obamacare-like programs OR more wars. You might even say the economy is working on our side, as unpleasant as it will be.

I think any candidate who is the nominee (if it's not Ron) will need his wisdom to carry on through this dangerous time. The message of FREEDOM and RESPONSIBILITY is the only one that is viable in the coming economic disaster, IMO.

 

[speciallyblend]

YOU are the cultist that's why you're like "oh, the movement will go down once Paul retires so let's compromise & take a useless position"

NO, the movement WILL go on with Ron or without him, because once a person is awoken to liberty, s/he can never go back to being a drone, Paul has been a good ambassador to liberty but I'm sure he knows more than anyone that he'll face MASSIVE backlash & he'll be considered a sellout if he compromises & goes with an establishment candidate

It's only because I believe it's a movement & NOT a cult that I wouldn't expect a compromise, as I've said before it's the compromising attitude of people like you is what makes Washington what it is & it is what has brought this country on the verge of catastrophic collapse!

Let me ask simple a question - what guarantee is there that Romney will follow his word after the election? NONE, even Obama-people are cussing themselves for believing lies & you simply seem to underestimate Bombney's ability to lie & flip-flop despite clear evidence to the contrary

"My country has in its wisdom contrived for me the most insignificant office that ever the invention of man contrived or his imagination conceived."
-John Adams on vice-presidency



Romeny/Paul = nothing changes because VP is useless
Paul/Romney = Paul has an "accident", Romney becomes president

Remember, this is the biggest game in town & there are TRILLIONS at stake for the mega-banks, mega-corporations & other special-interests & they won't mind spilling a little blood if they have to

Romney supporter calling us a cult, now i cannot stop laughing. I would only agree with romney as vp. If we get him neutered first and then have him agree to stay 1 mile away from the white house when ron paul is home!

i am sure the ron paul security team would make sure romney never gets close enough to kill ron paul! I never trust status quo!

 

[speciallyblend]

The economy (debt/deficit) will solve a lot of the neocon's problems whether they like it or not. It will also solve a lot of the social entitlement problems. In fact, there really won't be a whole lot of extra money lying around to increase Obamacare-like programs OR more wars. You might even say the economy is working on our side, as unpleasant as it will be.

I think any candidate who is the nominee (if it's not Ron) will need his wisdom to carry on through this dangerous time. The message of FREEDOM and RESPONSIBILITY is the only one that is viable in the coming economic disaster, IMO.

JEB BUSH/s