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Can you name one other position in America in which 30% of its holders become President?

It is a more powerful position than House member.

Just because Ron Paul has principles doesn't mean he is cut from the "take his ball and go home" cloth. He could have done that decades ago.

He took his ball and went home in 2008 and in 1988, and didn't vote for H.W. or W. He was critical of Reagan in the 80s, and it's likely that he didn't vote for his re-election in 1984. It's also possible that he didn't vote for Reagan in 1980, even, thanks to H.W. and other CFR backing of the ticket. Didn't vote for Ford in 1976, can't imagine he voted for Nixon in 1972.

So, I ask: when hasn't Ron Paul taken his ball and gone home?
 
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I think Ron should accept the VP position if that's the best offer he has, but then not campaign for Romney or ask his supporters for their votes.
 
He took his ball and went home in 2008 and in 1988, and didn't vote for H.W. or W. He was critical of Reagan in the 80s, and it's likely that he didn't vote for his re-election in 1984. It's also possible that he didn't vote for Reagan in 1980, even, thanks to H.W. and other CFR backing of the ticket. Didn't vote for Ford in 1976, can't imagine he voted for Nixon in 1972.

So, I ask: when hasn't Ron Paul taken his ball and gone home?

We must mean different things by the term. I'm saying he hasn't quit despite a huge lack of power in DC. RP as a VP doesn't necessarily work if you are looking at the runningmate paradigm with hands clasped in victory. It would almost be like parallel races (Romney vs Obama/Biden and Paul vs Establishment Thinking).

I neither know if it is a good idea, feasible, or likely. I do not believe that the VP is subservient ("Prepared to obey others unquestioningly") to the President. It is like Speaker of the House in that it is a distinct position named in the constitution and the President cannot fire them.
 
a Romney/Paul or Paul/Romney team would be unstoppable against the Obama machine.

Just reporting in.

(He voted for Ron Paul in the primary here last time, is big into gun rights, but leans slightly neocon.)

I give Paul/Romney 4 months untill the doctor does not awake from his sleep anymore.
 
Aren't we just a nice bunch of people. He may have horrible policies, doesn't mean we should wish for his death.

I wish for tyrants to die all the time and if I'm any good at it, look out Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Bill O'Reilly, Etc..
 
Unfortunately there are many dramatic supporters who would declare Ron a "shill" "sellout" or something else imaginary and turn their full attention to Alex Jones radio conspiracies

I will support Ron Paul in his endeavors.
 
No, I hope this never happens. I really don't like Romney and for many reasons so I just couldn't hold my nose for him because Ron (or according to some Rand) is his VP.

Can anyone honestly tell me that Mitt's foreign policy would be absolutely amazing for this country?

NOBP
 
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If Romney was Paul's VP I would fear assassination ... seriously. That would make it just too easy for them, especially since they'd just blame it on his age.
 
Honestly ... I've be a little worried that a rogue Paul supporter would try to assassinate Mitt if it were the other way around, face it - there are weirdy's among us.
 
a Romney/Paul or Paul/Romney team would be unstoppable against the Obama machine.

Just reporting in.

(He voted for Ron Paul in the primary here last time, is big into gun rights, but leans slightly neocon.)

A Paul/Romney ticket would have to stipulate Mittens be fitted with a shock collar to deliver a large current, high voltage shock the moment he separates himself from Ron by more than 12 feet. That should keep Romney clear about any notions of any prospects of "suddenly" taking the oath of office.

Sleepy time might be inconvenient but Ron and Carol can park Mitt on the floor by the foot-board like a good little doggy. Keeping ROn safe would be worth this minor inconvenience.
 
Honestly ... I've be a little worried that a rogue Paul supporter would try to assassinate Mitt if it were the other way around, face it - there are weirdy's among us.

There is no need for assassinations anymore, unless it was really the only thing left they could do. We live in a different time now. The media is nothing like it used to be. 50 years ago ya had, what, 3 channels of news? No 24-7 corporate spin machines of vile propaganda herding the sheep, no internet, etc. All of that now can be used to spread lies/rumors and bring a candidate down just as easy. They have way easier methods and tactics today. Back then, they really didn't, so if something had to be done, they just got rid of you.

Ever notice how it was always some loser who no one has ever heard of too? Always some patsy type nobody :rolleyes: The evidence behind LHO killing JFK is overwhelming, there is no doubt that he did it, but he was listed as what's called a 'Domestic CIA Contact' and was followed around constantly even during his days in Soviet Russia. His 'buddies' he had ties to as well in New Orleans had big mafia/fbi/cia ties as well. RFK's 'killer' also never really killed him either, it was reported by cops afterward there were shots fired behind him before he got to RFK, so he was basically used as a diversion to pin it on. Same with MLK's killer, the attempt on Reagan, etc. It's always some 'disenfranchised' loser type they dig up, an obvious pattern.

About Reagan too that some mentioned with Bush, i remember Paul C Roberts (served under Reagan as Treasury Secretary Deputy) said that Ron would have a hard time like Reagan as president. He said that Reagan really only got in because of Bush and his henchman, and they said that if you don't allow Bush and others to join up with you, we won't support you, and they did this same thing with Goldwater/Rockefeller. It is possible that Barry could have gone a lot further and not got obliterated by Johnson if had rubbed elbows a bit. You can see the correlation with Ron here, as with Goldwater, he distances himself a bit too far from the neocon base. I dont blame him for this, but it can tend to backfire, and this is something Rand plays a lot better. Bush pretty much called the shots during Reagan's time, no different than Cheney under GWB. They all knew GWB was a complete space cadet, and since Daddy Bush and Cheney worked together at the start of the NWO going into 5th gear, well who better to have behind his brain dead son pulling the strings?

I just don't think a PAUL/ROMNEY ticket would work though, the contrast is just way too far apart. And the other way around would be completely useless. I would much rather just have Obama back, and then Rand can run in 2016, if the country (or even the world) still exists.
 
I don't understand this NOBP thing. Sure it seems some people have thought it out and concluded that voting Obama or nobody at all is the best move for them. I understand it, and in fact agree. Obama will blow up the economy opening doors for Rand in 2016. However some people seem to take that stance out of spite without any intellectual standing. You can easily flip it to, voting Romney because he will be a good amount superior to Obama. Sure it's the lesser of two evils approach, but we'd be better off. I get and respect both of those houses of thought, but I don't get the irrational child like NOBP with minimal intellectual backing. Don't vote to "stick it to someone", vote in a way that merges everything, namely what's best for the country and the movement.
 
I don't understand this NOBP thing. Sure it seems some people have thought it out and concluded that voting Obama or nobody at all is the best move for them. I understand it, and in fact agree. Obama will blow up the economy opening doors for Rand in 2016. However some people seem to take that stance out of spite without any intellectual standing. You can easily flip it to, voting Romney because he will be a good amount superior to Obama. Sure it's the lesser of two evils approach, but we'd be better off. I get and respect both of those houses of thought, but I don't get the irrational child like NOBP with minimal intellectual backing. Don't vote to "stick it to someone", vote in a way that merges everything, namely what's best for the country and the movement.

I also understand its powerful leverage. But when it comes down to pulling the lever privately...4 more of Obama is pretty damn shitty.
 
I think Ron should accept the VP position if that's the best offer he has, but then not campaign for Romney or ask his supporters for their votes.

Wolf Blitzer: Let me get this straight, you are the VP nominee under Romney and you are not going to vote for Romney?

Ron Paul: No.

Wolf Blitzer: So you're running as VP, but you're NOT going to vote for yourself?!

Ron Paul: That is correct.

Wolf Blitzer:
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I don't understand this NOBP thing. Sure it seems some people have thought it out and concluded that voting Obama or nobody at all is the best move for them. I understand it, and in fact agree. Obama will blow up the economy opening doors for Rand in 2016. However some people seem to take that stance out of spite without any intellectual standing. You can easily flip it to, voting Romney because he will be a good amount superior to Obama. Sure it's the lesser of two evils approach, but we'd be better off. I get and respect both of those houses of thought, but I don't get the irrational child like NOBP with minimal intellectual backing. Don't vote to "stick it to someone", vote in a way that merges everything, namely what's best for the country and the movement.


Some people want to vote for nobody but Ron. That's certainly their right and I respect that.

Ron is my first choice if he appears on the ballot, I am voting for him. I agree with all of his policy. If he is not on the ballot and Johnson or Roemer are, I will vote for one of them. If none are on the ballot, then I would write in Ron. If Romney took on Ron as VP and made policy compromises between his positions and Ron's, I'd consider that ticket.
 
VP isn't picked until after the nominee is chosen. I thought it was implied that this thread is hypothetical.

The first post might have been. But before the first page ended it had left the world of the hypothetical and entered the world of the bizarre.

Now, if I am to enter that world...a world where Ron is not the nominee...then here's my perfect scenario:

The nominee (Mitt) offers Ron the VP slot.
Ron replies: "F' you."

Cut. That's a wrap. End titles roll.



(I only allow myself the luxury of this flippant post because NONE of this has even the remotest chance of ever happening.)
 
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What if they made an agreement where Romney would be pres. and Ron Vice,but only if Romney publicly agreed to follow through on some of the things Paul wants.

If Ron could get Romney to follow through on 5 ideas of Pauls.What would they be?

1. End the Fed
2. Close down most foreign bases
3. Stop foreign Aid
4. close down the 5 departments Ron wants
5. End the drug War

If Romney publicly agreed to those things id be willing to take that chance with Paul as vice,but only if there was no way Paul could win.
 
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