How to TAKE your freedom back

[PierzStyx]

Regardless, I have my opinion, you have yours. I'm willing to bet my life that they would not be able to get away with attacking us unprovoked. You're not, and that's ok.



I think you missed the point. They were British citizens... then they declared they weren't anymore. They didn't wait for permission from their masters.

Really? Because they didn't get away with attacking Iraq unprovoked, did they? Did you forget that socialists are all about the state and that anything that challenges the almighty state is denounced? How do you think Communist Asia, and Socialist Europe would react to a state rebelling against socialism? If anything NATO would be turned loose against us.

The FF were British citizens, who decided they didn't want to be anymore. And then they had to convince everyone else that they shouldn't be anymore. The greatest value of Thomas Paine was that he was able to do exactly that. And it worked, well enough anyway. And they had an entire ocean and 18th century technology limitations on their side. It took months to get soldiers across the seas then. Now it takes hours.

And I'm not talking about "asking permission" I'm talking about the only thing that works-changing the hearts and minds of people. Nothing else will succeed.

 

[TheTexan]

Really? Because they didn't get away with attacking Iraq unprovoked, did they?

I said I didn't think they'd allow a genocide so close to home. In their hearts I believe the people of this country are inherently good, but misguided, and I don't see any way to 'misguide' them so much to allow a genocide so close to home.

Also, Kosovo.

And I'm not talking about "asking permission" I'm talking about the only thing that works-changing the hearts and minds of people. Nothing else will succeed.

You're still grasping on to the idea that people want liberty, and just need us to hold their hand long enough for them to get it. I take back my earlier post. Not in 50 years. Not in a thousand years. The only thing that will convince them the system is broken is when they themselves are on the street dying from hunger from the system they helped create.

 

[VoluntaryAmerican]

Let's assume New Hampshire secedes from the USA.

If the Federal Government starts drone bombing NH that would be the WORST thing they could do.

It would immediately be the most talked about event of our history since the civil war... 350 million Americans would be forced to choose sides.

Other States would secede.

It would be a decentralized civil war.


It is safe to assume that the Federal Government would not do this if they are smart.

Indefinite detention, assasinations, and blacked out media is a smarter route... this would happen in the earlier stages, but eventually there would be a tipping point.

 

[Jingles]

LIVE LIKE THERE IS NO STATE!

 

[Pericles]

The problem with any free state project should be very evident. The larger nation will NOT allow any type of secession. And any group trying to defend their right to succeed will encounter the same problems the Confederate States did when they formed their own nation-mainly that the USA has a larger army, more guns, and more money. All the free state project will do is get the entire movement killed in one fell swoop.

I on the other hand think the best way to do it is to "leaven the bread" so to speak. We spread ourselves across the country and work on those around us, converting them to the cause of liberty. That way we become the "salt of the USA" so to speak.

This explains why Iraq (with about the population of Texas) was such an easy beatdown. This would be the same Army that ran out of radio batteries in 2003 and small arms ammunition in 2005?

 

[RPtotheWH]

The free state project in NH is probably the best bet. A portion of the people have already moved there and are making a difference.

 

[Raudsarw]

The statist system will collapse. We must prevent it from being replaced by another statist system. We must open the eyes of as many people as we can to the true nature of the state, so when the shit hits the fan, people will not simply let themselves be enslaved by new masters, and will instead finally break free from their chains.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

The problem with any free state project should be very evident. The larger nation will NOT allow any type of secession. And any group trying to defend their right to succeed will encounter the same problems the Confederate States did when they formed their own nation-mainly that the USA has a larger army, more guns, and more money. All the free state project will do is get the entire movement killed in one fell swoop.

I on the other hand think the best way to do it is to "leaven the bread" so to speak. We spread ourselves across the country and work on those around us, converting them to the cause of liberty. That way we become the "salt of the USA" so to speak.

Yeah, I'll take my chances fighting. The US is too large to ever have liberty. Hell, many of the Founders thought the 13 colonies were too large for a Republic and liberty, and I agree with them. No one is expecting the State to let you leave. We had to fight for our original Independence, and we'll most likely have to do so again. The other alternative is the mass removal of support for the State, which would work in theory, but good luck getting any semblance of a mass of Americans to remove their support for the State. It would again, take a majority of us moving somewhere. I've chosen NH as have many others. If we want liberty in our lifetime, it's going to come out of NH.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Really? Because they didn't get away with attacking Iraq unprovoked, did they? Did you forget that socialists are all about the state and that anything that challenges the almighty state is denounced? How do you think Communist Asia, and Socialist Europe would react to a state rebelling against socialism? If anything NATO would be turned loose against us.

The FF were British citizens, who decided they didn't want to be anymore. And then they had to convince everyone else that they shouldn't be anymore. The greatest value of Thomas Paine was that he was able to do exactly that. And it worked, well enough anyway. And they had an entire ocean and 18th century technology limitations on their side. It took months to get soldiers across the seas then. Now it takes hours.

And I'm not talking about "asking permission" I'm talking about the only thing that works-changing the hearts and minds of people. Nothing else will succeed.

You seem to forget that only 3% fought in the Revolution, and maybe a quarter were supportive, a quarter or more Tory, and then the rest apathetic. You do not need a majority per se, but it certainly helps to have a fiery determined minority. I think we have the numbers to have a successful Independence in a few states. I think you have your history terribly wrong and thus, your conclusion is likewise terribly wrong.

 

[TheTexan]

Poll added.

 

[Shorty Dawkins]

I'm sure everyone who posts on this site is on their list already. And I agree with the premise of the thread, but the rulers are not just going to accept our resignation. People had better be aware of that.

The British didn't want to accept the resignation of the Colonies, either. It is all a question of courage. Do you want to be free? Proclaim it and begin to live as a free man/woman. That is all it really takes. Non-compliance with their agenda makes them impotent. Ghandi proved that. Courage, that something inside us that says, "Hey wait a minute! What I believe is important. It is worth fighting for. It is worth suffering and dying for."

A man once said to me, "If you want an incredible life, reach beyond your fears, your capabilities, and your self-imposed limitations. Reach for something worth dying for, for that makes life worth living."

Shorty Dawkins

 

[pcosmar]

Secede,,?
Then what?

I do want my freedom, and my liberties,, and to have my rights respected.

I would like to see the country return to the principles that it was founded on..
I however,, have serious doubts that it will ever happen. The "Masses" are not ready for that.
TPTB have other plans, and are implementing them.

I will resist,,

 

[TheTexan]

Secede,,?
Then what?

Then what? I have my preferences (ancap), but ultimately there a number of ways we could go. All orders of magnitude better than the current situation.

I would like to see the country return to the principles that it was founded on..
I however,, have serious doubts that it will ever happen. The "Masses" are not ready for that.
TPTB have other plans, and are implementing them.

This is precisely why secession is necessary.

 

[TheTexan]

Secession please. For the children.

 

[BuddyRey]

Virgin Islands are lookin' pretty good right now.

 

[TheTexan]

Could be a state. Could be a county. Could be a town. Could be just yourself. Where/how is largely irrelevant. Bottom line, the only way we are going to get our freedom back, is if we take it.

 

[TheTexan]

Virgin Islands are lookin' pretty good right now.

Agreed.


(thinly veiled bump)

 

[Keith and stuff]

The problem with any free state project should be very evident. The larger nation will NOT allow any type of secession.

Just incase someone doesn't know, the FSP isn't a secession project and takes no position on secession.

If we want liberty in our lifetime, it's going to come out of NH.

I think NH is the best chance also. I'm very happy that I moved here. After seeing all of the positive legislative news last year, I'm sure I made the right choice.

 

[TheTexan]

Just incase someone doesn't know, the FSP isn't a secession project and takes no position on secession.

Can you keep an eye out for any county/town secession movements in NH for me?

 

[pcosmar]

Virgin Islands are lookin' pretty good right now.

They are not virgins anymore.