How to deal with the blame we will get from the GOP?

[Truth Warrior]

Seriously, did this just turn into a chat forum after the campaign ended?

All I'm asking for is the realization that the GOP will use this in the future to dissuade people from sticking to their principals.

You can ignore it, but I guarantee they will do anything they can to hurt any party that threatens to take away their voters.



You all act as though there is no point in even acknowledging it. All I said was be prepared, maybe we can even use such an attack to garner support for our cause.

THEIR voters? Ask to see the bill of sale.

 

[CountryboyRonPaul]

THEIR voters? Ask to see the bill of sale.

So you would say that the people who are against amnesty, clean air acts, free trade agreements, higher taxes etc. but still vote for McCain are not THEIR voters at the moment?

 

[torchbearer]

Seriously, did this just turn into a chat forum after the campaign ended?

All I'm asking for is the realization that the GOP will use this in the future to dissuade people from sticking to their principals.

You can ignore it, but I guarantee they will do anything they can to hurt any party that threatens to take away their voters.



You all act as though there is no point in even acknowledging it. All I said was be prepared, maybe we can even use such an attack to garner support for our cause.

Nothing you can do about the blame game. It is what they are good at, not taking responsibility for their own actions and blaming others.

Worry about the things you can control, as in, what you are doing locally.
Are you going to the rally?

 

[CountryboyRonPaul]

Nothing you can do about the blame game. It is what they are good at, not taking responsibility for their own actions and blaming others.

Worry about the things you can control, as in, what you are doing locally.
Are you going to the rally?

No, I've got bills and debts to pay.

But you can bet I'm spreading the message at every turn, Torch

 

[Truth Warrior]

So you would say that the people who are against amnesty, clean air acts, free trade agreements, higher taxes etc. but still vote for McCain are not THEIR voters at the moment?

Nope, just loony lemmings.<IMHO>

 

[torchbearer]

No, I've got bills and debts to pay.

But you can bet I'm spreading the message at every turn, Torch

do you know if anyone is going to pick up the 1210 meet-up? i see it is about to expire.
also, you may be able to get to the rally for $175 round trip on the ronvoy.

My bills are huge right now with summer utilities and fuel cost. But the ronvoy has made the rally a little bit more attainable than it was prior.
I'm trying to help all our activist get to MN.
http://ronvoytotherally.eventbrite.com/

 

[CountryboyRonPaul]

Nope, just loony lemmings.<IMHO>

IMHO they might as well belong(in the proprietary sense) to the Republican party.

I've beaten a few Neo-Cons with the truth stick, it can be done

 

[CountryboyRonPaul]

do you know if anyone is going to pick up the 1210 meet-up? i see it is about to expire.
also, you may be able to get to the rally for $175 round trip on the ronvoy.

My bills are huge right now with summer utilities and fuel cost. But the ronvoy has made the rally a little bit more attainable than it was prior.
I'm trying to help all our activist get to MN.
http://ronvoytotherally.eventbrite.com/

torch, there isn't much activity in the Covington meetup anymore, i would say probably not, but I don't know for sure.




I would love to go to the rally. I'll try and find some way to make it, but I can't promise anything. Thanks for the link

Edit: Think I told ya a while back, I'm on DWI probation now, and I've gotta meet all their BS criteria within the next three months. or it's prison time for me

 

[Truth Warrior]

IMHO they might as well belong to the Republican party.

I've beaten a few Neo-Cons with the truth stick, it can be done

I've beaten a bunch of voters with the truth stick, it can be done.

 

[ChickenHawk]

I do not beleive those polls at all.

Look around. Look at bumper stickers. Look at the internet. Look at the news. Look at the huge crowd of zombies Obama draws, and look at the small crowds Mccain draws.

It looks like 10 Obama to 1 Mccain. Those polls are used as a tool, they are a lie.

How can Mccain have that much support when, he is a BushCo member, an establishment career politician, and for all the wars and starting more?

The people's approval of the president, congress, and wars are at an all time low, in the single digits. How can he get 50%? It's complete bullshit. It's a lie.

Yeah, it's hard to understand unless you have been around politics for a long time. Obama generates a lot of excitement because he is an unconventional candidate and he represents the fringe of a major political party. The problem is that people who get excited about politics represent less than 2% of voters. Typically the more excitement a candidate generates the worse they will do because they tend to be far from the mainstream. Mainstreamism (for lack of a better term) is not exciting but generates votes. If a fringe candidate can break into the mainstream they can turn that excitement into a majority but that doesn't happen very often. I think Obama will have an exceptionally hard time doing it.

Many people who don't understand this phenomenon see it a conspiracy because it appears that the candidate that is clearly more popular lost.

The Washington State governors race in 1996 was a perfect example or this. The GOP nominated Ellen Craswell a very conservative state senator know as Senator No for her refusal to ever vote to raise taxes. She generated enormous excitement, there were more signs and bumper stickers for here than I have ever seen for any candidate in my life. Her signs and bumper stickers probably out number her opponents 5 or 10 to 1. She lost by almost twenty points and never lead in the polls.

Of course this kind of thing happened to Ron Paul in the primaries as well. Ron Paul's signs out numbered all his opponents signs combined in the area I'm from. When you don't understand the nature of politics these things look like obvious manipulation but that really isn't what is going on.

 

[freelance]

If it is an Obama victory, we all know what to expect from the GOP. They will lay the blame solely on our shoulders.

To quote the sitting VP, "SO?"

 

[Original_Intent]

I am assuming most of us have at least one middle finger.

 

[Truth Warrior]

I am assuming most of us have at least one middle finger.

Yep, one on each hand.

 

[Akus]

If a question of the evil Ron Paul people messing up another GOP win, I will simply lie and say I voted for McCain.

 

[Rhys]

we blame the the "wrong right" for putting us in this situation.

 

[Ibgamer]

Not to mention the majority of the GOP treated Ron Paul supporters like shit. I can't believe they would even expect us to vote for McCain.

Aint that the truth

 

[nobody's_hero]

I. Really. Don't. Care.

 

[libertarian4321]

I said we should be prepared for the inevitable political attacks if McCain loses.


Seriously, unless you want to let them blame this whole thing on our movement with no retaliation on our part then continue to ignore what I'm saying.

History repeats itself, and I don't want Libertarianism to go the way of the Perot and the Reform Party.

They will try to neutralize us at every turn, all I'm saying is let's build a strategy to prevent an attack like this taking hold with those that are sitting on the fence.


They will use this to persuade other GOP'ers from standing up for their principals.

They will use this to persuade other GOP'ers to follow blindly party lines.

The Reform Party didn't collapse because of "retaliation", the Reform Party collapsed because it was a "cult of personality", with no real principals, built around one man, and as soon as that man (Perot) left, the party had no direction- in 2000, they considered nominating everything from Donald Trump (conservative businessman) to Hollywood Liberal (Warren Beatty) to socialist (I forgot the name) to right wing isolationist (eventual nominee Pat Buchanan). The Reform Party collapsed because it STOOD FOR NOTHING.

The Republicans are going to get beat badly in November.

They at least have an outside shot at winning the Presidency if they can whip up enough hysteria among uneducated whites about Obama being a black Muslim America hater.

They are going to get DESTROYED in congressional elections.

None of it can be blamed on us- it should be blamed on the neocons who don't support Republican principals.

 

[Knightskye]

They'll lose because their values and positions didn't match ours, not because a third party candidate "took votes away."

I'm backing Bob Barr. If you want to act like (or be) a jerk, go ahead. And read my signature.

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

If we really do get the blame for a McCain loss, it might start making them actually take the liberty vote seriously.