How President Paul Could End the Income Tax Without a Constitutional Amendment

That's a deception and one of the primary lies of the IRS:


"Ever since the 16th Amendment to the Constitution was ratified (February 3, 1913) giving Congress the power "to lay and collect taxes on incomes" there have been citizens arguing that it was not properly ratified and income taxes are illegal. Unfortunately, some citizens continue to raise such arguments in spite of the fact that they have no basis in law and the courts have repeatedly rejected their arguments as frivolous".

Truth - In point of fact, the 16th Amendment was not properly ratified. Mr. Bill Benson and Mr. M.J. "Red" Beckman traveled to every state that was a part of the Union back in 1913, and researched the voting records and other pertinent data from each of the state legislature's historical archives. Their research is contained within a two-volume set entitled, "The Law That Never Was". The inescapable conclusion of their research is that the 16th Amendment was not properly ratified. ["The Law That Never Was" can be found at www.thelawthatneverwas.com ] Further, despite the IRS lies stated above, no US court has ever determined that the 16th Amendment was, in reality, properly ratified. What the courts have said is that because the [then] US Secretary of State, Philander Knox, "certified" that the Amendment was properly ratified, the courts of the United States must consider it properly ratified. The federal courts have stated that whether or not the Amendment was, in reality, properly ratified is a "political question".


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No court has shown that it WASN'T properly ratified. The Constitution Article 5 requires that an amendment be proposed by 2/3rds of both the House and Senate (which it was) after which it must be ratified by three fourths of the states. By 1913, the then required 36 states had ratified it and today 42 of the 48 states have ratified it- more than the 3/4ths required. The "discrepancies" reported by Benson and Beckman were minor typing errors in the text of the bill.

http://www.apfn.org/APFN/16th.htm
UNITED STATES of America, Plaintiff,
v.
George M. HOUSE and Marion M. House, Defendants.
Nos. G85-23-01 CR, G85-23-02 CR.
United States District Court,
W.D. Michigan.
June 7, 1985.

George M. House and Marion M. House, in pro. per.
Lowell H. Becraft, Jr., Huntsville, Ala., for defendants.
David M. Brown and Dana Boente, Dept. of Justice, Washington,
D.C., for plaintiff.
(some text here omitted- see link for complete text)

Philander Knox, Secretary of State in 1913, certified that the
requisite number of states had ratified the sixteenth amendment. This
certification was not made without knowledge of the minor discrepancies
between the proposed amendment and the resolutions of the various states,
as evidenced by the February 15, 1913 memorandum from the Office of the
Solicitor. In that memorandum Mr. Knox was alerted to the errors in the
resolutions passed by the legislatures of the several states ratifying the
sixteenth amendment. Nevertheless, the memorandum recommended that he
issue a declaration announcing the adoption of the sixteenth amendment.
The memorandum noted that errors in wording, capitalization and
punctuation had also been made in the resolutions of the states ratifying
the fourteenth and fifteenth amendments, but that those errors had been
found to be immaterial to the adoption of the amendments. The reasoning
in this memorandum from the Office of the Solicitor is as persuasive to
this Court as it apparently was to Secretary Knox: It should, moreover, be
observed that it seems clearly to have been the intention of the
legislature in each and every case to accept and ratify the 16th amendment
as proposed by Congress. Again, the incorporation of the terms of the
proposed amendment in the ratifying resolution seems in every case merely
to have been by way of recitation. In no case has any legislature
signified in any way its deliberate intention to change the wording of the
proposed amendment. The errors appear in most cases to have been merely
typographical and incidental to an attempt to make an accurate
quotation. Furthermore, under the provisions of the Constitution a
legislature is not authorized to alter in any way the amendment proposed
by Congress, the function of the legislature consisting merely in the
right to approve or disapprove the proposed amendment. It, therefore,
seems a necessary presumption, in the absence of no express stipulation to
the contrary, that a legislature did not intend to do something that it
had not the power to do, but rather that it intended to do something that
it had the power to do, namely, where its action has been affirmative, to
ratify the amendment proposed by Congress. Moreover, it could not be
presumed that by a mere change of wording probably inadvertent, the
legislature had intended to reject the amendment as proposed by Congress
where all parts of the resolution other than those merely reciting the
proposed amendment had set forth an affirmative action by the legislature.
For these reasons it is believed that the Secretary of State should in the
present instance include in his declaration announcing the adoption of the
16th amendment to the Constitution the States referred to notwithstanding
it appears that errors exist in the certified copies of Resolutions passed
by the Legislatures of those States ratifying such amendment. February 15,
1913 Memorandum from the Office of the Solicitor, pp. 15-16, quoted in The
Law That Never Was, pp. 19-20.
Finally, the Court notes that the sixteenth amendment has been in
existence for over half a century and has been applied by the Supreme
Court in hundreds of cases. As stated in Maryland Petition Committee
v. Johnson, 265 F.Supp. 823, 826 (D.Md.1967)), cert. denied, 393 U.S. 835,
89 S.Ct. 109, 21 L.Ed.2d 106 (1968), "While age and usage are not absolute
barriers to judicial inquiry, the courts have recognized them as
persuasive indicia of validity."
In upholding the fifteenth amendment against constitutional
challenge the United States Supreme Court noted that it "has been
recognized and acted on for half a century." Leser v. Garnett, 258
U.S. 130, 136, 42 S.Ct. 217, 217, 66 L.Ed. 505 (1922). In United States
v. Association of Citizens Councils, 187 F.Supp. 846, 848 (W.D.La.1960),
the constitutionality of the fourteenth and fifteenth amendments was
upheld "In the light of hundreds of cases in which the United States
Supreme Court has applied the amendments." Similarly, in United States
v. Gugel, 119 F.Supp. 897, 900 (E.D.Ky.1954), in rejecting a
constitutional attack on the fourteenth amendment, the Court found legal
significance in the fact that the fourteenth amendment had been recognized
and acted upon by the Supreme Court for more than three-quarters of a
century.
The sixteenth amendment and the tax laws passed pursuant to it
have been followed by the courts for over half a century. They represent
the recognized law of the land.
Because the sixteenth amendment was duly certified by the
Secretary of State, because defendants have not alleged that the minor
variations in capitalization, punctuation and wording of the various state
resolutions are materially different in purpose or effect from the
language of the congressional joint resolution proposing adoption of the
sixteenth amendment, and because the sixteenth amendment has been
recognized and acted upon since 1913, the Court rejects defendants'
argument that the sixteenth amendment is not a part of the United States
Constitution.
Plaintiff's motion to dismiss is DENIED.
 
he would be impeached.

But he would have to be removed for it to matter... I doubt it. Think of the "call bomb" campaign to Congressional offices that Ron Paul supporters would organize. There just wouldn't be majority support for impeachment and removal. The vast majority of people hate the income tax and the IRS.
 
the Court rejects defendants'
argument that the sixteenth amendment is not a part of the United States
Constitution..
This court is declaring that the Sixteenth Amendment is a part of the US Constitution. They considered the arguments of Benson and Beckman in their decision.
 
This court is declaring that the Sixteenth Amendment is a part of the US Constitution.

No, again: "no US court has ever determined that the 16th Amendment was, in reality, properly ratified. What the courts have said is that because the [then] US Secretary of State, Philander Knox, "certified" that the Amendment was properly ratified, the courts of the United States must consider it properly ratified. The federal courts have stated that whether or not the Amendment was, in reality, properly ratified is a "political question".

And the source you're using believes the income tax is a fraud: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/irstax.htm
 
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to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States

how much of our tax money taken from us at the point of a gun is used on things not covered by the above statement?
 
So then you can be certain that my source is not biased in favor of income taxes. The key is the court ruling. Perhaps you can provide me with links to a court ruling where the court questions the ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment. I would like to read them. Thank you for taking the time to look.
 
How could President Ron Paul end the Income Tax without a Constitutional Amendment?

By simply pardoning everyone convicted of income tax evasion and promising to do the same for everyone else who might be indicted in the future under his administration. At that point, all fear would disappear and the Income Tax would be de facto repealed.

The Income Tax is a complete fraud and hoax anyway, and the Founders never intended to allow Constitutional Amendments to deprive people of unalienable rights (read as un-a-lien-able, not subject to government lien - can the IRS put a lien on your property? - nuff said).

Nevermind, looks like the answer was given above. Thanks. So there is a 16th amendment... how or why we ratified that is beyond me. I guess we get what we deserve.
 
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So then you can be certain that my source is not biased in favor of income taxes.

Or maybe you're misintrepreting why they posted that...

The key is the court ruling.

I'm not telling people to go argue it in court. All I'm saying is that the courts haven't ruled that it was properly ratified. Stating that it is de facto part of the Constitution is not ruling that it was indeed properly ratified.

Perhaps you can provide me with links to a court ruling where the court questions the ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment. I would like to read them. Thank you for taking the time to look.

The courts won't look at the evidence refuting the ratification - that's the problem.
 
Can someone please answer this question... WAS THE 16th Amendment ever ratified??? Does it really need to be repealed? This issue bothers me a great deal... is there a 16th amendment or not???? Dr. Paul speaks about repealing it... if it was never ratified then we do not need to repeal it.

It truly wasn't, but the courts are never going to address it, so it's moot at this point in time.
 
More case law that supports the legality of the Sixteenth Amendment.
Relevant Case Law:

Miller v. United States, 868 F.2d 236, 241 (7 th Cir. 1989) (per curiam) - the court stated, "We find it hard to understand why the long and unbroken line of cases upholding the constitutionality of the sixteenth amendment generally, Brushaber v. Union Pacific Railroad Company . . . and those specifically rejecting the argument advanced in The Law That Never Was, have not persuaded Miller and his compatriots to seek a more effective forum for airing their attack on the federal income tax structure." The court imposed sanctions on them for having advanced a "patently frivolous" position.

United States v. Stahl, 792 F.2d 1438, 1441 (9 th Cir. 1986), cert. denied, 479 U.S. 1036 (1987) - stating that "the Secretary of State's certification under authority of Congress that the sixteenth amendment has been ratified by the requisite number of states and has become part of the Constitution is conclusive upon the courts," the court upheld Stahl's conviction for failure to file returns and for making a false statement.

Knoblauch v. Commissioner, 749 F.2d 200, 201 (5 th Cir. 1984), cert. denied, 474 U.S. 830 (1986) - the court rejected the contention that the Sixteenth Amendment was not constitutionally adopted as "totally without merit" and imposed monetary sanctions against Knoblauch based on the frivolousness of his appeal. "Every court that has considered this argument has rejected it," the court observed.

United States v. Foster, 789 F.2d 457 (7 th Cir.), cert. denied, 479 U.S. 883 (1986) - the court affirmed Foster's conviction for tax evasion, failing to file a return, and filing a false W-4 statement, rejecting his claim that the Sixteenth Amendment was never properly ratified.

See also http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#ratification
http://www.quatlosers.com/devvy_kidd.htm

But as I said before, the legality of the Sixteenth Amendment does not necessarily mean that Congress HAS to use income tax to raise revenue for the government. They could easily pass a law saying they were not going to use that form of taxation- whether that means simply eliminating the tax or replacing it with another. That would not require a repeal of the amendment.
 
More case law that supports the legality of the Sixteenth Amendment.

Which refutes nothing that I said earlier. I don't think you can grasp the concept that they aren't addressing the issue.


Quatloosia's is owned and operated by a tax attorney - someone who profits from the income tax. That's called a slight "conflict of interest."

But as I said before, the legality of the Sixteenth Amendment does not necessarily mean that Congress HAS to use income tax to raise revenue for the government.

No, it doesn't. But government rarely relinquishes power or money - and never relinquishes power or money when controlled by collectivist statists.
 
The cases are real. I can get you other links to the rulings for each if you want- this was just more convenient since they were all sumarized in one place. And they do discuss as to whether the court felt that the Sixteenth Amendment was properly ratified. There is considerably more information at the link included in the quotes. You are of course free to not reguard what the courts have said here.

Miller vs US: cites
long and unbroken line of cases upholding the constitutionality of the sixteenth amendment

US v. Stahl:
"the Secretary of State's certification under authority of Congress that the sixteenth amendment has been ratified by the requisite number of states and has become part of the Constitution is conclusive upon the courts
- the key phrase here is "is conclusive upon the courts".

Knoblock v. Comissioner:
the court rejected the contention that the Sixteenth Amendment was not constitutionally adopted as "totally without merit"

US v. Foster:
rejecting his claim that the Sixteenth Amendment was never properly ratified

They examined the claims that the amendment was not properly ratified- and rejected all claims. Unless you can provide me with a case ruling to the contrary.
 
The cases are real.

I know the cases are real. No one is claiming the cases aren't real. What I'm saying is that their rulings aren't addressing the specifics of why the amendment was never properly ratified. To them, if the Secretary of State signed it, etc, they're saying it's constitutionally adopted. The "case" made by the links I presented earlier addresses specifics that occurred before Knox signed it - evidence which Knox chose to ignore before certifying it.


"the Secretary of State's certification under authority of Congress that the sixteenth amendment has been ratified by the requisite number of states and has become part of the Constitution is conclusive upon the courts

Right - the Secretary of State's certification, under authority of Congress, as far as the Courts are concerned, means to them that it was ratified. HOWEVER, did the Secretary of State do this deceptively? Was their evidence that the ratification was not complete and did he ignore it? That is an issue that the courts have not looked at and will not look at.
 
The courts do not discuss why they think the amendment was not properly ratified because they ruled that it was indeed properly ratified. What conditions make it not properly ratified? What is the deception used by the Secretary of State? All these cases I listed declare that the amendment was properly ratified. Forty two states have agreed with the amendment- far more than the required three fourths of all states. It is legal. The Constitution requires that 2/3rds of the House aprove the amendment and that it is also aproved by 2/3rds of the Senate which I have heard no dispute. The other requirement spelled out in the Constitution is that it is ratifled by 3/4th of all states- and forty two states have done so- eighty four percent of them. It has further been said to have been properly ratified by the courts. You can chose to argue that a couple of states did not ratify a proper version of the amendment- based on using different spellings- but even removing them leaves more than enough states. I don't think I will be able to change your mind on this- it is a free country and you can believe as you wish, but these are the facts.
 
The courts do not discuss why they think the amendment was not properly ratified because they ruled that it was indeed properly ratified.

They ruled it was properly ratified simply because the Secretary of State signed it. They've refused to look at evidence that he did so fraudulently.

What conditions make it not properly ratified? What is the deception used by the Secretary of State?

You need to read the links.

I don't think I will be able to change your mind on this

No, you will not be able to convince me that a lie is true.

Your underlying premise seems to be that "good ole government would never, ever deceive anyone." They have done so many times, and there have been many corrupt judges in our country. Just do a search on "judge convicted" or "judge corruption" or "judge crime."
 
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Watch "Freedom to Fascism" on google videos. Even if you say the 16th Amendment was passed legally, it does not, according to many Supreme Court decisions, grant the government the ability to tax wages.

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He could only pardon people if they were prosecuted while he was POTUS. The IRS could simply wait until his term was up, and then start prosecuting everyone that didn't pay up.

Nonsense... Nixon was pardoned and he was never tried.
 
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