How many of you understand the USA just elected a (potentially) brutal dictator?

I have been all but chanting "Do not give your guy powers you do not want the other guy to have" at Republican Grassroots people since 2006. Got a pretty wide audience for a while. Hoping this will lead to increased skepticism as power continues to aggregate going forward.
 
I have been all but chanting "Do not give your guy powers you do not want the other guy to have" at Republican Grassroots people since 2006. Got a pretty wide audience for a while. Hoping this will lead to increased skepticism as power continues to aggregate going forward.

I believe at the end of four years, government power will have been diminished, some by Trump's doing, and some by the opposition. Once he is out, though, the opposition will start amassing power again.
 
I believe at the end of four years, government power will have been diminished, some by Trump's doing, and some by the opposition. Once he is out, though, the opposition will start amassing power again.

lol Good luck with that. :)
 
The first question about the no-fly list and buying a gun. If you are on the no fly list, something in your life has raised suspicion. You'll probably need to work that out one way or the other. The last thing someone who is on a no fly list should be thinking about doing is going out and getting a fire arm. To me, this is common sense. If you feel your right has been violated by being on this list, you are going to want to challenge on that basis not on a 2A basis. This isn't a 2A issue.

So, tell me, what other fundamental human, civil and constitutional rights do you think it is just "common sense" to take away, simply by being put on some secret government list?
 
You know what?

If you're too much of a threat to be on a plane and too much of threat to exercise your second amendment rights, I think you're too much of a threat to be on the streets at all or to have a trial.

Off to jail.
 
So, tell me, what other fundamental human, civil and constitutional rights do you think it is just "common sense" to take away, simply by being put on some secret government list?


And here I thought people on this forum actually supported the idea of individual LIBERTY. I stand corrected yet again.
 
You know what?

If you're too much of a threat to be on a plane and too much of threat to exercise your second amendment rights, I think you're too much of a threat to be on the streets at all or to have a trial.

Off to jail.


Fuck that. Just execute them and be done with it. And what the hell, their families too while we're at it.
 
The first question about the no-fly list and buying a gun. If you are on the no fly list, something in your life has raised suspicion. You'll probably need to work that out one way or the other. The last thing someone who is on a no fly list should be thinking about doing is going out and getting a fire arm. To me, this is common sense. If you feel your right has been violated by being on this list, you are going to want to challenge on that basis not on a 2A basis. This isn't a 2A issue.
Whoa,,, hold up.

How is a person supposed to know they are on a no fly list? And by what criteria are they on it?

and why should there be any question about who buys a gun in the first place?

What part of Shall Not be Infringed do you not understand.
 
I know you don't really want to argue, so I'll just answer your questions.

The first question about the no-fly list and buying a gun. If you are on the no fly list, something in your life has raised suspicion. You'll probably need to work that out one way or the other. The last thing someone who is on a no fly list should be thinking about doing is going out and getting a fire arm. To me, this is common sense. If you feel your right has been violated by being on this list, you are going to want to challenge on that basis not on a 2A basis. This isn't a 2A issue.

The second question is almost the same. We have people getting cash confiscated in the same way. The problem here is a property rights question as well as due process.

Both of these are criminal justice issues, not 2A issues.

By saying "ardent opponent of 2A" you are conflating the issues and muddying the waters. This is not an argument, its sensationalist rhetoric. That's fine for getting an emotional response from people looking for any reason to not like what is going on. It doesn't really stick to Trump tho. None of that sensationalist crap does.

You'll just have to wait and see and perhaps listen to other opinions of Trump coming from non biased frame of mind.

Something in your life has raised suspicion? Are you kidding me? A human should lose their right to defend themselves and their family because theyve done something in their life that raised suspicion?!?!?!?! Gah!
 
And here I thought people on this forum actually supported the idea of individual LIBERTY. I stand corrected yet again.

It's one thing to be "guardedly optimistic" over a Trump win, given the alternative.

It's entirely another to go "full retard" into Camp Gulag, like it seems some folks want to go.

To not be able to see how horribly wrong the idea of fundamental liberties being taken away by virtue of being placed on some unaccountable, unknowable, secret government list, is to completely and utterly miss what the whole "freedom" idea is all about.

What the fuck, over...
 
And here I thought people on this forum actually supported the idea of individual LIBERTY. I stand corrected yet again.

Some do, some don't. A lot of the Trumpaloompas have deluded themselves, so they actually believe such insanity like "Rudy Giuliani will be good for Attorney General."
 
It's one thing to be "guardedly optimistic" over a Trump win, given the alternative.

It's entirely another to go "full retard" into Camp Gulag, like it seems some folks want to go.

To not be able to see how horribly wrong the idea of fundamental liberties being taken away by virtue of being placed on some unaccountable, unknowable, secret government list, is to completely and utterly miss what the whole "freedom" idea is all about.

What the fuck, over...

And here am I, out of rep.
 
It's one thing to be "guardedly optimistic" over a Trump win, given the alternative.

It's entirely another to go "full retard" into Camp Gulag, like it seems some folks want to go.

To not be able to see how horribly wrong the idea of fundamental liberties being taken away by virtue of being placed on some unaccountable, unknowable, secret government list, is to completely and utterly miss what the whole "freedom" idea is all about.

What the $#@!, over...

Someone has to hold the gun. Either we retain possession or they will use it on us. Mr. Trump will be attempting one of the stunning reversals in modern history. Turn the monster on it's creator. We can do it Trump's way or you can start prepping for urban warfare. We'll see if he can do it, but I fear he will end up like like the gentleman driving through Dealey Plaza.
 
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Someone has to hold the gun. Either we retain possession or they will use it on us. Mr. Trump will be attempting one of the modern reversals in modern history. Turn the monster on it's creator. We'll see if he can do it, but I fear he will end up like like the gentleman driving through Dealey Plaza.

James Woolsey bruh. Dude is reversing the hell out of this place up in heah.

lmao
 
James Woolsey bruh. Dude is reversing the hell out of this place up in heah.

lmao

James Woolsey. Boo hoo. Another name. Bob Dole too. Maybe Barney the Dinosaur will swear fealty next? Keep your eye on the prize.
 
James Woolsey. Boo hoo. Another name. Bob Dole too. Maybe Barney the Dinosaur will swear fealty next? Keep your eye on the prize.

What prize? Co-opting the liberty movement to the point where they can run authoritarians as "liberty candidates" while sites like RPFs cheer them on?
 
James Woolsey. Boo hoo. Another name. Bob Dole too. Maybe Barney the Dinosaur will swear fealty next? Keep your eye on the prize.

That one, as it seems, came from the lips of the emperor himself. You wanted him, so deal with your mess.
 
Some do, some don't. A lot of the Trumpaloompas have deluded themselves, so they actually believe such insanity like "Rudy Giuliani will be good for Attorney General."

Do you have any idea what Trump is doing? He is gunning for the entire Clinton Foundation, and Clinton Global Initiative. That is going to take RICO convictions. If he fails, the world is lost forever to the globalists. Period. There will be no Rand Paul for president. There will be no libertarians in congress. there will be the current corporatist government we have now, times 10. There will be no freedoms at all. There will be sham puppet elections for all eternity, and generations of public school brainwashed kids, who have learned to cry racist and sexist against anyone they hate.

This is nothing short of a soft coup. If it fails, it will be war. And I don't mean the fun kind where people shoot each other far way from home. And i don't mean the red dawn fantasy of the plucky rebels fighting the empire. I mean full blown war where American cities look worse than Syrian cities. Where there are literally Chinese and Russian troops in the western and Northern United States trying to prop up the forces friendly to them.

Are you aware he is trying to take down the Clinton Foundation? Do you still actually believe this was some normal election? The forces of better are making their move against the forces of far worse.

Do you understand what the Clinton foundation is? Do you understand wikileaks has exposed it, and there is plenty of evidence in John Podesta's emails alone ot arrest hundreds, but they can not, because how do you make a government arrest and convict the people that own it?

Jesus Christ. This is the end of an empire, or the beginning of a new age. I am not even kidding.

It is NYPD, FBI and Trump vs. CIA, the establishment and the globalists.

You guys keep acting like these are normal times. They are not. The election was the first shot of the revolution.
 
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What prize? Co-opting the liberty movement to the point where they can run authoritarians as "liberty candidates" while sites like RPFs cheer them on?

Destroying the power structure above the one that resides in Washington D.C. The one that Karen Hudes and countless others have written about. All your liberty fantasies cannot be attained until the shackles are removed. So sit back and watch attentively. Libertarians need someone like Trump who is willing to get his hands dirty.
 
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