How government encourages drunk driving.

[kcchiefs6465]

So I just allow myself to get rear-ended by suddenly hitting the brakes? That doesn't sound too great.

What is your proposal? (what is reasonable to you?) As currently we are accustomed to unconstitutional [legit for public saftey] stops for anyone on the road. (DUI checkpoints, for example)

 

[TheTexan]

Fuck prisons. They serve no purpose. DUI or otherwise.

 

[Antischism]

What is your proposal? (what is reasonable to you?) As currently we are accustomed to unconstitutional [legit for public saftey] stops for anyone on the road. (DUI checkpoints, for example)

DUI checkpoints are awful. My proposal is being allowed to shoot people who put my life in danger.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Over twice that many people died in falls around the home.

http://www.nsc.org/safety_home/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Falls/Pages/Falls.aspx

I demand the instant passage of the following:

Mandatory helmet use while not sitting or in bed.

Anti Fall flooring in all new homes.

Safety harnesses and retention systems.

Foam backed flooring and partition covering in all rooms designated for occupancy by anyone over 65 or under 18.

Random law enforcement inspections, neighborhood sweeps and in home surveillance to monitor for compliance.

Outta rep or I'd +rep ya.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.




again.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

DUI checkpoints are awful. My proposal is being allowed to shoot people who put my life in danger.

Diabetics? ['Innocents?'] Your emotion is evident. I've had people cut me off more times than I could remember. I've had people abruptly brake for no damn reason at all. I'd like to hope you really aren't advocating for people to be able to send shots towards anyone who drives like an idiot or who can't drive. (whether drunk or sober)

 

[Antischism]

Maybe they'll stop drinking and driving if they knew they'd get a few shots through their car windows at the first sign of danger to my person!

 

[Antischism]

Diabetics? ['Innocents?'] Your emotion is evident. I've had people cut me off more times than I could remember. I've had people abruptly brake for no damn reason at all. I'd like to hope you really aren't advocating for people to be able to send shots towards anyone who drives like an idiot or who can't drive. (whether drunk or sober)

I'm sort of playing devil's advocate to be honest, as I'm partially blinded by emotion in the case of drunk driving due to past history. I'll admit to that.

But what if a mentally ill person forces his way into my home and breaks down my door in a theft attempt? Do I not have the right to shoot? You wouldn't know if it was a home invasion or a person on medication/with severe mental illness now, would you?

 

[phill4paul]

DUI checkpoints are awful. My proposal is being allowed to shoot people who put my life in danger.

Summary execution of those with .08 BAC stopped at check points? Yep, from your first post this is what I believed you believe. Fuck you. At anytime you feel that I, directly, am a danger to you then you have that right.
Don't hire mercenaries to do what you are unable to.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Maybe they'll stop drinking and driving if they knew they'd get a few shots through their car windows at the first sign of danger to my person!

A lot of people would stop driving if they knew a random shot could fly through their window when you are shooting from a moving car. As if this is the movies. Let me excuse myself from this ridiculous, emotion based post.

 

[TheTexan]

Maybe they'll stop drinking and driving if they knew they'd get a few shots through their car windows at the first sign of danger to my person!

This argument would make more sense if shooting at them while you're driving didn't put your person into more danger.

The concepts of stand your ground and self defense are both solid but I can't imagine any scenario where the vehicle will collide with yours unless you intervene by shooting the driver.

Even if such a situation were to occur, it would be very hard to prove...

 

[phill4paul]

I'm sort of playing devil's advocate to be honest, as I'm partially blinded by emotion in the case of drunk driving due to past history. I'll admit to that.

But what if a mentally ill person forces his way into my home and breaks down my door in a theft attempt? Do I not have the right to shoot? You wouldn't know if it was a home invasion or a person on medication/with severe mental illness now, would you?

Why not just have the the police shoot the 'Mentally ill" in the streets. That'd save you a lot of trouble. In fact. You wouldn't even need to get your hands dirty.

 

[Antischism]

Summary execution of those with .08 BAC stopped at check points? Yep, from your first post this is what I believed you believe. Fuck you. At anytime you feel that I, directly, am a danger to you then you have that right.
Don't hire mercenaries to do what you are unable to.

I already made a distinction between a person with alcohol in their system driving normally, and someone who's driving recklessly under the influence. One puts my life in danger, the other doesn't.

 

[Antischism]

Why not just have the the police shoot the 'Mentally ill" in the streets. That'd save you a lot of trouble. In fact. You wouldn't even need to get your hands dirty.

Why would I rely on the police to do the work for me if I have a gun? Isn't that one of the reasons for gun ownership?

And where did I advocate for shooting the mentally ill? The hypothetical question I posed involved a break-in.

 

[pcosmar]

I already made a distinction between a person with alcohol in their system driving normally, and someone who's driving recklessly under the influence. One puts my life in danger, the other doesn't.

And how do you know that the erratic driver is drunk?

Are you prepared to shoot a diabetic, or someone having a heart attack? Or perhaps just old people with failing sight and reflexes?

You have managed to move the goal post from stupid to utterly ridiculous.

.

 

[Antischism]

This argument would make more sense if shooting at them while you're driving didn't put your person into more danger.

The concepts of stand your ground and self defense are both solid but I can't imagine any scenario where the vehicle will collide with yours unless you intervene by shooting the driver.

Even if such a situation were to occur, it would be very hard to prove...

I agree with your post, it was a hypothetical situation. The point being however, that if the situation were to take place, and that were an option that truly would save my life or another person's, I shouldn't be convicted as a criminal for firing my weapon.

 

[phill4paul]

I already made a distinction between a person with alcohol in their system driving normally, and someone who's driving recklessly under the influence. One puts my life in danger, the other doesn't.

Do you see where your argument is the same for the federal governments argument from keeping us safe from "terrorists?"

 

[TheTexan]

I agree with your post, it was a hypothetical situation. The point being however, that if the situation were to take place, and that were an option that truly would save my life or another person's, I shouldn't be convicted as a criminal for firing my weapon.

Shrug. In that extremely unlikely scenario, if I were on the jury it would be fine with me.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I'm sort of playing devil's advocate to be honest, as I'm partially blinded by emotion in the case of drunk driving due to past history. I'll admit to that.

But what if a mentally ill person forces his way into my home and breaks down my door in a theft attempt? Do I not have the right to shoot? You wouldn't know if it was a home invasion or a person on medication/with severe mental illness now, would you?

How is breaking in entering (whether mentally ill or not) at all comparable to impaired driving?

 

[phill4paul]

Why would I rely on the police to do the work for me if I have a gun? Isn't that one of the reasons for gun ownership?

And where did I advocate for shooting the mentally ill? The hypothetical question I posed involved a break-in.

Your hypothetical is a case in point. Though you do not see it. I cannot help you with that. I no longer give fish away. Those who would learn to fish will eat tomorrow.

 

[Antischism]

And how do you know that the erratic driver is drunk?

Are you prepared to shoot a diabetic, or someone having a heart attack? Or perhaps just old people with failing sight and reflexes?

You have managed to move the goal post from stupid to utterly ridiculous.

.

If someone broke into your house and came charging in, would you be prepared to shoot a mentally ill individual or one that has been driven to madness by medications?

Of course, I would never want to have to shoot another person, but why is it okay to do it in the case of a break-in, but not in a life-threatening situation involving automobiles if the gun shots would indeed prevent a terrible outcome?

I just don't see how it would be okay in one situation, but not the other.