How government encourages drunk driving.

[pcosmar]

And how many people do you honestly think go around driving under the influence on bicycles? Of those people, how many do you believe are involved in accidents? Certainly not enough to make those statistics much different.

Do these people who go around "drunk biking" kill others? What's the risk factor?

Oh no you didn't,,
DUI on a bike
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/weird/Man-Gets-a-DUI----On-a-Bike-119811249.html
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/...cyclists-beware-court-upholds-dui-conviction/
http://www.bayareaduidefense.com/bay_area_dui/motorcycles_boats_planes/cycling_under_influence.html
DUI on a horse
http://www.wkyt.com/news/headlines/Man-on-horse-arrested-for-DUI-170100436.html
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/crime-law/man-galloping-horse-gets-dui-bunnell/nSPJ5/
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...for-dui----on-a-horse-and-mule/1#.USK-aCDw9AQ

Just grabbed a few from a quick search.. you can bet your wad there are a lot more.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Quite a lot acutally. Probably more than you'd imagine. Were you aware that they will arrest you for drinking and riding a bike? Or I believe someone mentioned a lawnmower, but that too.

That they will...and kick your ass for you while they are at it.

 

[Antischism]

You've just defeated your own argument, since any law that cannot be specifically quantified as to what, exactly and precisely a violation entails, is ripe for abuse and a hallmark of a tyrannical regime.

Define "supports terrorism".

I was pointing out that I believe the laws as they are now are indeed harsh and difficult to quantify, but I still don't believe anyone who's incredibly intoxicated should be driving. If you want to bring anecdotal evidence into this, I've lost a couple of family members to drunk drivers; people who had never gotten into an accident until they decided to get behind the wheel with a high blood alcohol level.

 

[phill4paul]

There used to be things called communities where people worked, shopped, and drank together in the same neighborhood. Im willing to bet the rate of drunk driving is drastically less in an average european or nyc community compared to an average american city. It would be great if neighborhoods would get back to how they were were you could walk to the neighborhood market, but its against 99% of zoning laws.

I'd love to build a neighborhood bar and concert hall. Unfortunately special interests have bribed <lobbied> for exclusivity.

I've lived in a city. The bar and band were nothing more than a block away. Even in the country I have found safe roads to illegal honky-tonks. A shame the honly-tonks were targeted by law enforcement at the behest of special interest.

 

[pcosmar]

I was pointing out that I believe the laws as they are now are indeed harsh and difficult to quantify, but I still don't believe anyone who's incredibly intoxicated should be driving. If you want to bring anecdotal evidence into this, I've lost a couple of family members to drunk drivers; people who had never gotten into an accident until they decided to get behind the wheel with a high blood alcohol level.

No one here is saying the Drunk Driving is a Good Idea.
What the are saying is that the laws suck,(very much bad) and that the "problem" is massively overblown by the Social Controllers and Prohibitionists.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I was pointing out that I believe the laws as they are now are indeed harsh and difficult to quantify, but I still don't believe anyone who's incredibly intoxicated should be driving. If you want to bring anecdotal evidence into this, I've lost a couple of family members to drunk drivers; people who had never gotten into an accident until they decided to get behind the wheel with a high blood alcohol level.

Thus, you have an emotional attachment to the argument.

All the laws in the world didn't stop that, did they now?

I've lost some friends and family to gunfire, yet you won't find a more "over the top" gun rights person than me.

Should some of those people not have had access to guns?

Sure, by all means.

That does not mean I am willing to cede the point and allow what's happening with tobacco or driving, happen with firearms.

 

[Antischism]

Oh no you didn't,,
DUI on a bike
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/weird/Man-Gets-a-DUI----On-a-Bike-119811249.html
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/...cyclists-beware-court-upholds-dui-conviction/
http://www.bayareaduidefense.com/bay_area_dui/motorcycles_boats_planes/cycling_under_influence.html
DUI on a horse
http://www.wkyt.com/news/headlines/Man-on-horse-arrested-for-DUI-170100436.html
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/crime-law/man-galloping-horse-gets-dui-bunnell/nSPJ5/
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...for-dui----on-a-horse-and-mule/1#.USK-aCDw9AQ

Just grabbed a few from a quick search.. you can bet your wad there are a lot more.

I really need to see a break-down of the numbers in the statistics, but indeed, the lawn mower/horse DUI's are ridiculous.

But since these instances are... bizarre to say the least, isn't it more likely to find news articles about them than injuries/deaths relating to drunk driving in the news? You can sure as hell bet those aren't reported more frequently because of the high rate of incidence.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Or, put another way by somebody much smarter than me:

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
-- Thomas Jefferson

 

[kcchiefs6465]

That they will...and kick your ass for you while they are at it.

I actually knew a man that got hit by a car crossing a small parking lot exit. (Like a McDonalds drive thru lane exit but this was Pizza Hut) The car twisted his bike all to hell and the driver fled. The cops came after someone saw him laying there unconscious and arrested him for a DUI, took him to the hospital, got him checked out, then took him to jail. He's out some 7-10 days later and we are walking to the store. Here we see the car that hit him parked about an eighth mile from where he lived. We knock on the door and the driver denied he was the one. (it was obvious from the paint transfer and damages he was the one) We never did call the cops and my buddy never got compensated for the bike but it has stuck with me. Walking to the store and my buddy points out the car, that there's that MFer right there that hit me. You'd have to be there to believe it.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I actually knew a man that got hit by a car crossing a small parking lot exit. (Like a McDonalds drive thru lane exit but this was Pizza Hut) The car twisted his bike all to hell and the driver fled. The cops came after someone saw him laying there unconscious and arrested him for a DUI, took him to the hospital, got him checked out, then took him to jail. He's out some 7-10 days later and we are walking to the store. Here we see the car that hit him parked about an eighth mile from where he lived. We knock on the door and the driver denied he was the one. (it was obvious from the paint transfer and damages he was the one) We never did call the cops and my buddy never got compensated for the bike but it has stuck with me. Walking to the store and my buddy points out the car, that there's that MFer right there that hit me. You'd have to be there to believe it.

Doesn't surprise me in the least.

These are the things that happen in a police state.

And the only way to "crack down" on drunk driving is to build...a police state.

So here we are, getting ready for plenty more "crack downs".

 

[AGRP]

I'd love to build a neighborhood bar and concert hall. Unfortunately special interests have bribed <lobbied> for exclusivity.

I've lived in a city. The bar and band were nothing more than a block away. Even in the country I have found safe roads to illegal honky-tonks. A shame the honly-tonks were targeted by law enforcement at the behest of special interest.

Wouldnt it be nice if everyone could walk around a couple blocks to get milk, bread, have a drink, shop, etc? We must be crazy. This is such a better life:

 

[Antischism]

Thus, you have an emotional attachment to the argument.

All the laws in the world didn't stop that, did they now?

I've lost some friends and family to gunfire, yet you won't find a more "over the top" gun rights person than me.

Should some of those people not have had access to guns?

Sure, by all means.

That does not mean I am willing to cede the point and allow what's happening with tobacco or driving, happen with firearms.

That's a bad comparison, though.

The reason for 2A is to protect ourselves from government/tyranny and from others who would intrude on our private property or try to harm us. Getting wasted and deciding to operate a vehicle, potentially putting other people in harm's way, doesn't protect anyone from anything. It's just bad news all around.

 

[pcosmar]

That's a bad comparison, though.

The reason for 2A is to protect ourselves from government/tyranny and from others who would intrude on our private property or try to harm us. Getting wasted and deciding to operate a vehicle, potentially putting other people in harm's way, doesn't protect anyone from anything. It's just bad news all around.

Operating a motor vehicle sober puts everyone in harms way,
As the vast majority of accidents and fatalities are caused by Sober Drivers.

 

[Antischism]

Question: If I see someone driving drunk, and they're swerving in front of me or going at ridiculous speeds, do I have the right to shoot at them or their tires to protect myself from their reckless behavior (if there's even enough time)? If the answer is yes, then by all means, I would have no problem with people driving drunk just as long as I can protect myself or my family.

 

[pcosmar]

Question: If I see someone driving drunk, and they're swerving in front of me or going at ridiculous speeds, do I have the right to shoot at them or their tires to protect myself from their reckless behavior (if there's even enough time)? If the answer is yes, then by all means, I would have no problem with people driving drunk just as long as I can protect myself or my family.

No, but you do have the right to put on your brakes or steer your car elsewhere and avoid them..

and you do not know if they are drunk.. Diabetic, on prescription medicine or just a piss poor driver.

 

[phill4paul]

And how many people do you honestly think go around driving under the influence on bicycles? Of those people, how many do you believe are involved in accidents? Certainly not enough to make those statistics much different.

Do these people who go around "drunk biking" kill others? What's the risk factor?

If statistics are involved I would like them to be factually correct. Wouldn't you?

If not then we get to....

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

 

[Antischism]

No, but you do have the right to put on your brakes or steer your car elsewhere and avoid them..

and you do not know if they are drunk.. Diabetic, on prescription medicine or just a piss poor driver.

So I just allow myself to get rear-ended by suddenly hitting the brakes? That doesn't sound too great.

 

[pcosmar]

So I just allow myself to get rear-ended by suddenly hitting the brakes? That doesn't sound too great.

Ah, that was assuming that you were behind and observing their poor driving..
Your gas pedal would allow you to accelerate, and your steering wheel will allow you to turn, Side street, off ramp. or shoulder of the road.

I personally try to avoid stupid drivers. accident avoidance is a part of driving.
my reflexes and premonition have allowed me to remain accident free for 40+years of driving.

or are you being deliberately obtuse?

 

[The Free Hornet]

Question: If I see someone driving drunk, and they're swerving in front of me or going at ridiculous speeds, do I have the right to shoot at them or their tires to protect myself from their reckless behavior (if there's even enough time)? If the answer is yes, then by all means, I would have no problem with people driving drunk just as long as I can protect myself or my family.

1) How do you see their BAC level? Do you believe in magical thinking?
2) If going ridiculous speed, how do you safely drive an even more ridiculous speed?
3) How do you protect yourself and your family by firing a gun while driving that more ridiculous speed?
4) How do shot out tires/drivers decrease accidents rather than increase them?
5) By chance, are you now or were you ever an LA cop?

Your argument is not unlike the, "well if some woman can abort a baby I should be allowed to kill toddlers"! Who here is arguing that driving drunk or killing fetuses is good? Rather, the argument is that government generally makes these matters worse. Here's a question, how is it that mandatory auto insurance money goes to insurance companies and not faultless accident victims? Who but government can boast victim compensation programs where 35% of the money goes to... victims!

Learn to mind your business and both you and your family will be safer as a result.

 

[phill4paul]

I really need to see a break-down of the numbers in the statistics, but indeed, the lawn mower/horse DUI's are ridiculous.

But since these instances are... bizarre to say the least, isn't it more likely to find news articles about them than injuries/deaths relating to drunk driving in the news? You can sure as hell bet those aren't reported more frequently because of the high rate of incidence.

what world do you live in?