How exactly could we have space exploration/moon landings without government?

socialize_me said:
I mean you guys don't even support things that have been in the Constitution since it was written!!
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It's silly to think that all Ron Paul supporters must be Constitutionalists. Ron Paul's a libertarian-leaning conservative. Naturally, libertarians are going to be attracted to him, whether they support his views on the Constitution or not.
 
socialize_me said:
Ben Franklin liked the federal postal service. It's specifically enumerated in the Constitution. I'll side with the Founders before I listen to whatever L. Spooner has to say. I've read plenty of Rockwell saying private roads would be good--as if hundreds of thousands of American companies across the nation would spontaneously add building roads into its capital goods industry. It's complete bullshit and would take us back to riding horses. There's no way in hell anyone would voluntarily build roads and maintain them if it meant saving only $0.18/gallon. The roads in the colonies sucked balls big time which is why we had that specifically enumerated in it for Congress to "post roads".

What you guys are suggesting is privatization of roads and postal services even though it's spelled out in the Constitution for the government to do. So exactly why are you people posting in a Ron Paul Message Board??? Shouldn't you be over at anarchyforums.com?? I mean you guys don't even support things that have been in the Constitution since it was written!!
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Are you saying just because something is provided for in the Constitution, that bars competitive private enterprise?
 
Kludge said:
It's silly to think that all Ron Paul supporters must be Constitutionalists. Ron Paul's a libertarian-leaning conservative. Naturally, libertarians are going to be attracted to him, whether they support his views on the Constitution or not.
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But you're not a libertarian. You're an anarchist. You don't want to be taxed unless you agree with what the tax is for, you don't support federal postal services, I'm assuming you probably don't agree with federal roads, so what exactly do you agree with? Should we even have a military? If not, then fuck it I'm not going to waste time converting another anarchist. You guys are a dime a dozen and use absolutely zero real-world logic. It's all theoretical bullshit that has never worked in history. NEVER! The Founders didn't even give anarchy a thought, even the most radical libertarian ones.

Again, quit only quoting a sentence of my points at a time because that's the only part you can debate rather than the entire reply. Instead, go move to Somalia for a week where there are no federal roads, there is no federal postal service, there is no military, and it's complete anarchy. Tell me how great it is to live without a government.

You too Truth Warrior. Go live in that utopia. Hell, you don't even need to move there. I mean, we have a real world anarchy example for you anarchists to look at in Somalia, yet you still spout theoretical bullshit. Unbelievable!! You're stuck in a land of Oz, you're delusional, and are a waste of protoplasm.
 
Truth Warrior said:
Nah, I have sovereignty and seniority. Move the D.C. scumbags to Somalia. :p :rolleyes:
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Cute. So would you agree Somalia is a shithole??? They have anarchy there and according to your theories, that should be the best system ever imagined!! In fact, it shouldn't even be a "system" because everyone is voluntarily choosing to do what they want. No police force, they just have warlords running around stoning 13 year olds to death while 1,000+ people watch because she was raped and that's considering adultery. There's your anarchy "state".
 
Danke said:
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I don't think you have a grasp about what the Constitution says about taxation.
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Congress may levy taxes. I don't think you have a grasp what the Constitution says about taxation. I've read it many times and cannot recall anywhere that is says you have to agree with taxes to be valid. The Constitution states a republican government shall be guaranteed to all states. We have a republican government. What you are suggesting is democracy where you should choose and determine how things should be done regardless of what our representatives say.
 
socialize_me said:
You guys are a dime a dozen and use absolutely zero real-world logic.
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Well, there U definitely fail. Kludge is a lot of things, but a "dime a dozen." No. Can't be. Couldn't be. Shouldn't be. :eek:


Instead, go move to Somalia... I mean, we have a real world anarchy example for you anarchists to look at in Somalia...
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What's with this fixation on Somalia?
 
socialize_me said:
Cute. So would you agree Somalia is a shithole??? They have anarchy there and according to your theories, that should be the best system ever imagined!! In fact, it shouldn't even be a "system" because everyone is voluntarily choosing to do what they want. No police force, they just have warlords running around stoning 13 year olds to death while 1,000+ people watch because she was raped and that's considering adultery. There's your anarchy "state".
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Never been there. No desire to go. None of MY business. I'm a non-interventionist, like Ron. ;) Africa seems like a pretty BARBARIC place TOO, ALL in ALL. But then again, they haven't INVADED Iraq. :D
 
socialize_me said:
Congress may levy taxes. I don't think you have a grasp what the Constitution says about taxation. I've read it many times and cannot recall anywhere that is says you have to agree with taxes to be valid.
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Yes, congress can levy taxes. But under narrowly defined conditions. The reason the founders wrote it that way was to prevent exactly what you are advocating, uncontrolled spending. But along came the privately held Central Bank and years of deliberate misinformation about taxation, and that is exactly what we got. With additional support from people of your mindset.

But it will be coming to an end sooner than later. Just look at our ever increasing debt. The spending you so enjoy can't go on. We can't afford it.
 
socialize_me said:
Cute. So would you agree Somalia is a shithole??? They have anarchy there and according to your theories, that should be the best system ever imagined!! In fact, it shouldn't even be a "system" because everyone is voluntarily choosing to do what they want. No police force, they just have warlords running around stoning 13 year olds to death while 1,000+ people watch because she was raped and that's considering adultery. There's your anarchy "state".
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Looks like they have a central government to me. Not exactly what I'd call "anarchy"...

http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/somalia.html
[h1]Somalia[/h1]
Chiefs of State and Cabinet Members of Foreign Governments
Date of Information: 9/23/2008​

Somalia has lacked any internationally recognized central government since the fall of the Siad Barre regime in 1991. The current Transitional Federal Government is the fifteenth attempt to create a formal state. The country is currently controlled by various political and regional factions as well as local warlords in the south and in two "republics" in the north. The former British colony of Somaliland---consisting of five districts in the northwest---declared independence in 1991, and the northeastern region---known as Puntland---declared autonomy in 1998.
Pres. Abdullahi YUSUF Ahmed Prime Min. Nur HASSAN Hussein Dep. Prime Min. SALIM Aliyow Ibrow Dep. Prime Min. Aydid Abdullahi Ilka HANAF Dep. Prime Min. Ahmad ABDISALAM Min. of Agriculture, Water, & Urban Development Mustafa Ali DHUHULOW Min. of Air & Land Transport Mohamed Ibrahim Mohamed HABSADE Min. of Defense MUHYADIN Muhammad Ali Ibrahim Min. of Education & Culture Aydid Abdullahi Ilka HANAF Min. of Finance & Planning Muhammad Ali HAMUD Min. of Foreign Affairs & Intl. Cooperation Ali Ahmed JAMA Jangeli Min. of Information & Youth Ahmad ABDISALAM Min. of Internal Affairs & National Security MUSE Nur Amin Min. of Justice & Religious Affairs SALIM Aliyow Ibrow Min. of Minerals & Energy Muhammad Ali SALAH Min. of Posts & Communications ABDI MOHAMED Tarrah Min. of Public Works & Construction Nur Idow BEYLE Min. of Regional Development, Federal Affairs, & Reconciliation ABDIRIZAL Ashkir Abdi Min. of Trade, Industry, & Tourism Hussein Elabe FAHIYE Min. of Gender Development & Family Affairs Khadija Muhammad DIRIYE Governor, Central Bank Permanent Representative to the UN, New York Elmi Ahmed DUALE
 
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Has law and governments ever protected the people from warlords, killings, robberies, rape? I think not.
 
Socialize me, you act like the postal service industry is free market when it is not free market. And then some poster tells you this correct statement which proves it is not anywhere close to a free market:

"The American mail system is a monopoly still, as it is currently illegal for any of their main competitors - FedEx, UPs, Roadway, etc - to offer first class mail service."

and you respond by saying "it is constitutional, get over it!"

How does that support your argument at all? It seems you are avoiding it.
 
socialize_me, please tell me how did the Government in Somalia fall in the first place in order to let vying warlords compete for power?
 
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