How Doctors Cured Cancer and AIDs

[Magicman]

Another book about Oxygen Therapies

http://www.oneminutecure.com


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ozone+therapy+books&btnG=Search

http://www.goldengatebookstore.com/rel/v2_viewupc.php?storenr=333&upc=0895297590&affnr=-2610

http://www.atlasbooks.com/marktplc/00908.htm


http://www.amazon.com/Oxygen-Revolution-Hyperbaric-Groundbreaking-Disabilities/dp/1578262372


This is a great book to start with explaining the oxidation and glutathione cycle process. Here's a PDF.

http://books.google.com/books?id=rk...9bX0Dw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

 

[Magicman]

Could you compare cancer rates and deaths between Europe and the US. If what you say is true there should be a large difference between the populations.

Edit: This was the first good link I found. Says cancer treatment is better in the US than in Europe.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/561737

That's a tough comparison to analyze since it's only in select parts of Europe. I could be wrong but a link I had had this for data on other countries that have it.


Ozone therapy is considered a mainstream form of medical treatment in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, France, and Russia

 

[Magicman]

Bump

 

[constituent]

so at the most basic level, what we're talking about here is stripping electrons to break up the various proteins that act as the building blocks of say the DNA in viruses or developing tumors?

 

[BlackTerrel]

That's a tough comparison to analyze since it's only in select parts of Europe. I could be wrong but a link I had had this for data on other countries that have it.


Ozone therapy is considered a mainstream form of medical treatment in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, France, and Russia

This is specifically what I'd like to see. You're not a medical expert I assume, neither am I. So it's hard to judge the validity of these claims.

If this method is so good we should expect to see cancer survival rates in the five countries you mentioned be considerably better than the US. That would be solid evidence. Otherwise I'd be skeptical.

 

[nbhadja]

This is specifically what I'd like to see. You're not a medical expert I assume, neither am I. So it's hard to judge the validity of these claims.

If this method is so good we should expect to see cancer survival rates in the five countries you mentioned be considerably better than the US. That would be solid evidence. Otherwise I'd be skeptical.

Well in the year 2000, 7000 MDs in Europe were using the ozone therapy. This is a very small percent and in 2009 it probably is still a small percent.

Europe is not that different than the US, the government/corporations control it in a fascist style. Their big drug companies also suppress any knowledge about the ozone therapy in order to maintain their profits.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Well in the year 2000, 7000 MDs in Europe were using the ozone therapy. This is a very small percent and in 2009 it probably is still a small percent.

7000 doctors should be enough to get the word out if it was really that effective. How could you supress it? People with cancer talk to each other. There should be tens of thousands of patients screaming from the roof tops saying "I had cancer, nothing worked and now I'm cured". Facebook, youtube, email lists, online cancer forums... how can they supress people talking to one another? What do they do, lock them all in camps?

Europe is not that different than the US, the government/corporations control it in a fascist style. Their big drug companies also suppress any knowledge about the ozone therapy in order to maintain their profits.

What about the Asian countries? Middle East? South America? All the same?

I'm not saying this isn't true. But I'm a bit skeptical. Show me some data.

 

[nbhadja]

7000 doctors should be enough to get the word out if it was really that effective. How could you supress it? People with cancer talk to each other. There should be tens of thousands of patients screaming from the roof tops saying "I had cancer, nothing worked and now I'm cured". Facebook, youtube, email lists, online cancer forums... how can they supress people talking to one another? What do they do, lock them all in camps?



What about the Asian countries? Middle East? South America? All the same?

I'm not saying this isn't true. But I'm a bit skeptical. Show me some data.

7000 MDs is a small percent, it is not large. And it is popular in Germany and some other countries on earth. It actually was very very popular in the US before the FDA was created and they wiped it out.

How could they suppress it? The same way the US government suppresses the evilness of the federal reserve. Remember big drug and big insurance are in bed together and almost all insurance companies do not cover the ozone therapy as it would give them a lot less money. In fact, medical schools don't even teach it- big drug plays a huge role in medical school curriculum.

Word does spread like that if the media does not cover it, you should know that being on a RPF.
No matter how effective something is, unless the MSM covers it, most people are sheep and will dismiss it.

Research it, there is a good amount of research is done in Europe/Asia about it- and it is online. google it.

Remember it is unheard of in the US, but in countries like Germany it is not.

 

[nbhadja]

overview of it
http://www.scribd.com/doc/8788977/Ozone-Blood-Treatment-Cures-Aids-Victims-in-Germany

 

[Magicman]

How to Save the Environment and All Human Being's Health. Ozone is so powerful to save this earth that it can overpower the destruction done by human wastes, pollution, poisons, etc. This is proof that if we reversed our water's policies that one policy could change EVERYTHING. From the way we live, survival of animals, to nature to our entire planet. This can heal the planet. All we need to do is stop using Flouride and Chloride and use Ozone as a Water Purification process - major changes will happen and they'll happen fast.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPe8VxaatUQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=birNGT74cuw

 

[BlackTerrel]

7000 MDs is a small percent, it is not large. And it is popular in Germany and some other countries on earth. It actually was very very popular in the US before the FDA was created and they wiped it out.

What were cancer survival rates in the US before the FDA was created? Were they better than they are now?

How could they suppress it? The same way the US government suppresses the evilness of the federal reserve....
Word does spread like that if the media does not cover it, you should know that being on a RPF.
No matter how effective something is, unless the MSM covers it, most people are sheep and will dismiss it.

The pros/cons of the federal reserve system is a very complex issue that is difficult to explain to the average American. In addition it is highly subjective - two reasonable and intelligent people could disagree on the effectiveness of the fed. Cancer is different, either you cure something or you don't. If 7000 doctors practice it and it's so effective there should be hundreds of thousands of cancer survivors spreading the message. I've known people with cancer - they'll go to any lengths to find a cure. Many of them eventually go the alternative medicine route, if something was so effective I find it hard to believe it could stay so well hidden.

Remember it is unheard of in the US, but in countries like Germany it is not.

Again, shouldn't there then be a massive difference in survival rates between the US and Germany?

What about Japan? China? Iran? Brazil? Etc.? In every single country the truth is supressed by big medicine?

 

[orafi]

Ahh, a fantastic ballad of rock paper scissors performed by mother nature.

AIDS kills humans

Ozone kills AIDS

And

Humans kill Ozone.

Rock! Paper! Scissors!

Beautiful!

 

[M House]

I'm sorry to hear about your loss. I hope maybe this method will get out more so there will be an overall change in the mentality of the medical business.


Does anyone who have experience with oxidative-based methods know how it could help a condition like fibromyalgia or lessen trigger points?

This man has claimed he has treated himself completely free with Ozone Therapy with a process of 'self-healing'. His site is a bit quirky but he's genuine and isn't looking out for money. Kind've interesting because his philosophies are completely the opposite of how most people approach their condition with fibromyalgia.

That's what I've had for the past 4 years so when I found this site and saw similar methods as I've been discovering and attempting; since most conditions seem to fall on similar levels based on 'oxidative stress'. The treatments he used reinforced that belief of 'self-healing' process.

http://falconblanco.com/health/index.htm

Fibromyalgia is a complex neuroendocrine issue. I'd be willing to bet money on this. I ran into information on it when looking into different mechanics involved with IBS, actually for a medical presentation poster, as it's sometimes a comorbid disorder. I wouldn't try things that could damage your nerves and other tissues potentially.

 

[Magicman]

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That theory is off regarding Ozone Therapy. Fibromyalgia apart of the basis with specifically trigger points as well is apart of 'Oxidative Stress'. When the cells are damaged or receiving less glutathione, the rate of absorption of nutrients and oxygen are following the anaerobic state. The cells form a self-protection mode because they treat what normally maybe healthy as an enemy as more fibroids develop this perpetual cycle gets worse, and free radical damage ensues so its important to get healthy and more substantial amount of oxygen. Basically, the cells are receiving a lot less nutrients and oxygen. In the case, of Ozone the wonders of what it does are in effect, and the man I spoke to has used that as one of his primary methods to treat his symptoms. He's 60 years old has been in a serious auto accident so a therapy like Ozone that can reverse this serious situation proves that it has beneficial effects to say the least.

This is when at individual can experience many symptoms such as fight/flight syndrome, sleep disturbances and so on because at the cellular level their working at an anaerobic state. This continues the anaerobic mode if the condition gets bad enough the answer is reversing this state and looking at systems that can increase aerobic metabolism activity. The catch 22 is doing strenuous activities (depending on the severity of the patient) could cause more harm then good, which is why ATP production, NADH, Glutathione, B12 Methyl Injections and Oxygen-based therapies will have the best results.

I feel a lot of relief from being out in nature, but being in household environment I'm planning to buy a strong ionizer and experiment between Anion/Negative Ion Air Filter Systems or Ozone Filter Systems. Intravenously, using those methods are very effective but in the medical industry you're pretty much screwed if you have this condition there are exclusive centers that provide these solutions but there charging so much and are not allowing these methods to be covered by insurance. So many of these patients end up going bankrupt before they can even see a huge difference.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/portal/utils/pageresolver.fcgi?log$=activity&recordid=1235935133349622


I've been to dozens of doctors and this center seems to have great therapies but too costly. They use Hydrogen Peroxide Injections. There needs to be alternatives to all of what there offering and that's where Ozone Therapy comes in.

http://www.fibroandfatigue.com/documents/clinical/Immune Support Interview 1.pdf

 

[M House]

You've tried it and it seems to work?

 

[tmosley]

Injecting hydrogen peroxide into your body will either not do anything (low concentrations) or do far more harm that good (at high concentrations). There is no happy medium. If, however, you could generate reactive oxygen species at the site of the cancer cell or the virus, you would have a highly effective treatment.

By combining phage display library indexing with a covalently bound metal catalyst, one could make a molecule that will seek out an bind to whatever type of cell or binding site you want, including cancer cells, viruses, bacteria, even fungi and protozoa. This is the basis of my company's research. We have had some amazing results. The technology is revolutionary, and has the ability to cure ALL infectious disease within our lifetimes.

I've seen the power of ROS (reactive oxygen species) to kill anything it touches. You don't want to be injecting it willy-nilly. The key is to target it. Until recently, we have focused on attaching it to surfaces for things like implants (orthodontic applications are just now coming onto the market--I'd suggest you get in line--it's called SeLECT Defense if you are interested, the coating will make you immune to cavities for life), and now that we are licensing some technologies, we have the money to fund the far more important drug research.

Exciting times.

 

[theoakman]

guys, I work in drug development. Any study you read that says "in vitro", realistically means jack shit. They've cured every disease on the face of the planet in a dish. The trick is successfully delivering it to the target. That's the hard part. You can't claim a drug works until you've successfully demonstrated it works in animals or humans.

In fact, I did some work on a new HIV drug that is currently in human trials. Right now, it appears to be effective against all known mutants of the HIV virus. We'll see how effective it is.

Anyways, don't be paranoid about the drug industry. The cold hard fact is we've already found cures for the HIV virus. They are just way too expensive to deliver to the population. There's a reason Magic Johnson isn't dead yet and he won't die any time soon. Whoever comes up with a marketable drug to treat HIV will be bloody rich. Any treatment that is created will require the patient to purchase HIV drugs for the rest of their life. Given the fact that millions of people around the world would need these drugs, there's a ridiculous demand for them. We've already cured HIV. We just need to find a better one that we can afford to make and sell.

The cures they have for certain types of HIV are 100% effective against the virus the patient has. The problem is, the virus mutates very effectively.

 

[Magicman]

^
I don't know about that logic and your explanation is still based around profitability is way too optimistic for a pessimistic policy making system based upon profitability itself. As long as the happy medium is always 'profit-factor' and 'dependence' those cures are too expensive like you're saying yet on the other hand the cures that have been too cheap such as tetrasil can be self-sustained which is why they were banned. This defeats the idea of the the profit if people can maintain their own health and away from dependent so those organization and especially policy makers are structure-based entities. There is not much of a profit so they won't use that; why else would they be so gun-ho about these solutions yet put out pharmaceutical solutions which are FAR more dangerous. Oxidative based therapies such as Ozone also put more self-maintenance and fall into that category as well. Hence, why other treatments such as hyperbaric medicine are more put into the structure.

 

[Bettawrekonize]

I don't know whether or not Ozone works but I do think our intellectual property system greatly biases good science. It gives special interest groups incentive to manipulate the system in a way that would ban unpatentable products (ie: products that either don't qualify for patents because the patent expired or products that don't qualify for patents for some other reason), manipulating the data on those products to say they are less safe and more dangerous than they really are, and it gives them incentive to manipulate the data on patented products to say they are safer and more effective than they really are (ie: cherry picking the data). It gives corporations a huge incentive to suppress data (no matter how corrupt their actions) and to prevent studies from reaching the public on unpatentable products that may compete with their profit margins. Much of the cause of this is our patent system. I also think our patent system could be bad for our environment because it gives special interest groups incentive to manipulate organizations like the EPA to ban environmentally safe unpatented products (and manipulate the data to show that those products are more harmful to the environment than they really are, just because they may compete with a patented product) while giving them incentive to manipulate the data to show that environmentally unsafe patented products are safer than they really are. See, for example, EPA to regulate farm dust (thanks to our intellectual property system, I can't tell the true motives of the EPA. I certainly don't expect them, or anyone involved, to tell me the truth). If we truly are to find solutions to problems and to find out the truth about the safety and effectiveness of various products (both to our health and to the environment) then we must remove the incentive intellectual property gives to manipulate the data and to suppress studies on useful unpatentable products. Until this happens, what we have is not science, it's nonsense.

 

[nbhadja]

What were cancer survival rates in the US before the FDA was created? Were they better than they are now?

Yes, american leading hospitals used the ozone therapy widely. It worked so well so they kept using it. There was a reason the cancer epidemic happened after the FDA was created and threw the ozone treatment out of America.

The pros/cons of the federal reserve system is a very complex issue that is difficult to explain to the average American. [/B] In addition it is highly subjective - two reasonable and intelligent people could disagree on the effectiveness of the fed. Cancer is different, either you cure something or you don't. If 7000 doctors practice it and it's so effective there should be hundreds of thousands of cancer survivors spreading the message. I've known people with cancer - they'll go to any lengths to find a cure. Many of them eventually go the alternative medicine route, if something was so effective I find it hard to believe it could stay so well hidden.

Yeah but Obama is pro war and McCain is for huge government, yet the media says McCain is for small government and Obama is against war and the public still believes it despite obvious simple facts- Obama ordering the bombing of Pakistan, McCain voting the trillion dollar bailouts etcs


Again, shouldn't there then be a massive difference in survival rates between the US and Germany?

It is used in Germany but not widely used in Germany, Germany is socialist just like the US, their government is controlled by big business, big drug etc.

What about Japan? China? Iran? Brazil? Etc.? In every single country the truth is supressed by big medicine?

The ozone therapy is used a good amount in the countries that are not completely run by corporations, like in India. I can tell you that in India many doctors are curing aids, cancer etc with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVAMttloY_4

And the truth of paper money being garbage is suppressed in every country. There are MANY obvious facts that are suppressed in the "modern" countries of the world.

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