How do you feel about the LP platform on abortion?

[torchbearer]

I just noticed I have a wiki marker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Sanders

That is actually for me from my previous political engagements.
In C4L, I'm listed under that name too.
I should just go by my name, being that it is public record now... but torchbearer has a meaning of its own too.

 

[asimplegirl]

LOL...

Hubby said:

"is he red headed I think? That sounds familiar.."

He then said.." Did he work at Certified Computer Consultants around 2000 or so and drive a ford pick up?"

 

[torchbearer]

LOL...

Hubby said:

"is he red headed I think? That sounds familiar.."

nope. bald head.
this is my myspace: http://www.myspace.com/so_manical

 

[asimplegirl]

Okay, after looking at your pics, he said "that's not the same guy I am thinking about."

Here is his:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=418877990


He started around 96...

 

[torchbearer]

Okay, after looking at your pics, he said "that's not the same guy I am thinking about."

Here is his:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=418877990


He started around 96...

He doesn't look familiar. is he independent or does he work for a company?
I've been doing computers since 96... but not really on my own until 2000.

Does he know any of the guys from Time Trend or Icon Technology?

 

[asimplegirl]

He doesn't look familiar. is he independent or does he work for a company?
I've been doing computers since 96... but not really on my own until 2000.

Does he know any of the guys from Time Trend or Icon Technology?

He used to work at time trend..knew all of them (worked there before he went to Certified...about '99, then he worked with a friend for Wild Ox)

 

[TurtleBurger]

that online catechism is the updated authority on what a catholic is suppose to believe.
If you don't believe 100% of it, you really aren't a catholic.
If you don't take every word out of the pope's mouth as god's edict... you are not catholic.
These were things i had to confront myself. People would ask me if I was catholic... i went to the church... i went to their schools... I knew all their traditions... yet, i couldn't say I agree with half of it. I went along to get along.
I had to come to a point where I had to admit, I really wasn't catholic.

Why would you want to belong to a church that you don't agree with 100%? If half of what you are taught is lies and it is up to your own human wisdom to parse the good from the bad, then you are on pretty precarious ground. Most non-Catholic churches don't even pretend to claim that 100% of what they teach is guaranteed accurate. To some people it may seem presumptious that the Catholic Church demands full agreement from its members, but to me it is pretty comforting that it takes out the guesswork: the Church has taught the same thing for 2000 years and it's teaching what its founding members heard straight from the mouth of the Son of God.

 

[torchbearer]

Why would you want to belong to a church that you don't agree with 100%? If half of what you are taught is lies and it is up to your own human wisdom to parse the good from the bad, then you are on pretty precarious ground. Most non-Catholic churches don't even pretend to claim that 100% of what they teach is guaranteed accurate. To some people it may seem presumptious that the Catholic Church demands full agreement from its members, but to me it is pretty comforting that it takes out the guesswork: the Church has taught the same thing for 2000 years and it's teaching what its founding members heard straight from the mouth of the Son of God.

THis obviously has nothing to do with god, but most people don't see that.
You don't need any of the bureaucracy from rome to love the divine and seek the divine.

 

[torchbearer]

I promise you, God doesn't keep his secrets locked in a vault at the vatican.

 

[TurtleBurger]

I promise you, God doesn't keep his secrets locked in a vault at the vatican.

As you pointed out before, the catechism isn't locked in a vault. It's easily accessible to anyone with an internet connection or access to a bookstore.

 

[TurtleBurger]

THis obviously has nothing to do with god, but most people don't see that.
You don't need any of the bureaucracy from rome to love the divine and seek the divine.

It depends if you are seeking God as He actually is, or as you would like Him to be. If you seek your own version of God, you aren't actually seeking the divine but just something that exists in your own imagination. If you are seeking God as He actually is, it makes sense to start from the channels of revelation that He has established, especially considering that He very rarely (if ever) reveals Himself to our five senses in the current time period.

 

[tropicangela]

Edit: wrong thread

 

[jmdrake]

you can't be a libertarian and support making abortion illegal, it's that simple. that's removing someones right to choose on something related to their body and health.

Nonsense. You need to read the Libertarians for Life website.

http://www.l4l.org/

The whole thing turns on when a "fetus" is a human. If its a human than you have to consider more than one set of rights.

besides it's like drugs or alcohol during prohibition, making it illegal won't end it. it will just make it more unsafe.

Making murder in general won't end it either. And your point? As for the unsafe argument, it's still unsafe but arguably safer (at least for the mother). But it's also much more frequent which means more chances for something to go wrong.

Anyway it's all kind of moot. This isn't a "libertarian" movement. It's a movement with libertarians along with a lot of other people.

Regards,

John M. Drake