How atheists became the most colossally smug and annoying people on the planet

[VIDEODROME]

Math is more of an adjective. It's our way of describing nature. Like any other language we give it rules.

Yeah how about Language itself? I guess that could just be a system Humans make up to make sense of the world and communicate. Math is just another language tool giving humans to the ability to discuss and think about reality in a much more objective way.

Math could even measure amounts of Color. So what if in that way it is kind of physical? Maybe the only thing about Math that is truly non-Physical is Zero.

 

[Frank Lee Seaux]

Some people like to philosophically debate whether Math was Discovered or Invented. Is Math just a human way of expressing something innate in the Universe, or just a way the human brain tries to fit the world in patterns that make sense.

In the end, it's about as useful as debating whether the Chicken or the Egg came first.

Perhaps even less so... Thanks to biology and more specifically evolutionary biology, we can definitively answer the question about the chicken and the egg. It was the egg, everyone. Seriously, the egg came first, counter-intuitive as that may seem.

 

[Frank Lee Seaux]

Right. And I'm sure the same is true in philosophical discussion of morality.

But if either one is not transcendent, then it's a fiction. If the laws of morality and mathematics aren't really transcendent, then they aren't really real in the sense that "mathematical claim A" or "moral claim B" can ever be "right" or "wrong." It may be that we are deceiving ourselves when we believe in math and morality, and that the things we think these laws make "right" aren't really "right."

But unless that is the case, then we're back to them being transcendent.

You do realize that transcendent basically means, not real, don't you?

For instance, if something transcends existence, then it is beyond, or outside of existence, which means, it does not exist.

Reality is that which is (exists). Therefore, anything which transcends existence cannot be real. And, anything which transcends reality cannot exist.

But, since you seem to believe that morality is a topic of philosophy and not more specifically of philosophy of religion, then you are probably not all that familiar with philosophy on the whole.

Fiction, by the way, is the negation of reality.

In philosophy, in general, we have the topic of ethics, which is the secular/philosophical equivalent of morality, but without the necessity of divine revelation.