How atheists became the most colossally smug and annoying people on the planet

[Christian Liberty]

How could a person who proclaims himself to be the vicar (replacement) of Christ on earth say that Muslims worship the living God and NOT be evil?

All unsaved men are evil, so yes, that includes the Pope.

So abortion should be legal or not?

No, its an act of aggression. Aggression is not liberty.

 

[VIDEODROME]

You read the Bible with your senses, yet you don't know the truth.

So what... do you strap the bible to your head and let the word sink into your brain through osmosis?

 

[Natural Citizen]

If you choose to define morality as only being determined by the word of god, then of course atheism can't determine morality.

Slavery is mandated by the Bible.

But aside from that lets ask this. Name 1 ethical statement from the mouths of the morally faithful or actions performed by them that could not be said or performed by an atheist. Just 1. As well, consider scenarios of morality that can only be brough through faith. Going back to the slavery bit.

 

[Sola_Fide]

So what... do you strap the bible to your head and let the word sink into your brain through osmosis?

Or...what the Bible says is true: God is the Logos that is the light of men and reveals information to them.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Slavery is mandated by the Bible.
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Haha....WHAT?

 

[erowe1]

But how is "wrong" determined? Is polygamy immoral? Or masturbation?

Like the other transcendent laws, mathematics and logic, the laws of morality are things that already exist, and our role is not to invent them, but to discover them. If this isn't the case, then there is no such thing as morality.

Some of these laws may be more apparent than others. The two that you asked about are ones where the right answer isn't as obvious as other laws.

 

[VIDEODROME]

 

[Sola_Fide]

What are you talking about? Who here is talking about "osmosis"?

I'm saying what the Bible says is true, that God is sovereign over everything, including what saved and unsaved men know.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Haha....WHAT?

Ah, see...careful here, S_F.

We're applying morality both in practice as well as in theory. Right?

Anyhoo...Did "God" not say to people that they can do exactly as they like to people? (Pentateuch)

 

[Sola_Fide]

Anyhoo...Did "God" not say to people that they can do exactly as they like to people? (Pentateuch)

I don't know what you mean.

 

[RJB]

Stereotypes are usually based on the loudest most obnoxious of a group, not the majority.

This argument over who is more annoying boils down to: If you are an atheists, you notice more smug Christians. If you are a Christian, you notice more smug atheists. I know, I've been both.

Personally, I try to avoid smug jackasses no matter their belief, unless of course, I happen to be the smug jackass at the time..

 

[VIDEODROME]

What are you talking about? Who here is talking about "osmosis"?

I'm saying what the Bible says is true, that God is sovereign over everything, including what saved and unsaved men know.

I'm kidding around. Really this stuff is getting to serious.

But I guess the gist of some ideas here sounded like you couldn't get the Word through the senses or something. Or that somebody who Read the Bible just didn't get the deeper meaning of it through their sense of eye sight. I was just joking saying if it can't come in through the sense maybe let the word seep into your head lolz.

 

[robert9712000]

Where was slavery ever mandated by the bible? I know it has stated if a person is in the situation of being a slave ,that regardless of ones predicament in life, a person can acknowledge that if it's Gods will they be a slave then so be it,they can still do great things if they first pursue God's will.Daniel is a great example of that.

Your a slave right now to the U.S tax burden and oppressive police force.You can either accept that God has a purpose in it for you to grow and help others grow in righteousness or you can pursue your own will and fight back against the oppressive police force.Guess which reaction has a predictable outcome,if you fight against the police you will lose and for what purpose will it benefit? Does a dead man profit anything by resistance, other than being deemed prideful in his resistance to the police?

A Man of God will accept the situation hes been placed in but still be able to excel in it and have all that he needs.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I don't know what you mean.

Basically, I'm trying to better understand your defense of faith based morality. As I said, both in practice and in theory. That's not to say that I want to harp on it and argue back and forth. I've no interest in it and certainly no stake in it. What I'm asking is that, historically, have we seen people of faith do things like take land, enslave others, rape the women, kill all of the young men of the land and so forth but with divine permission and in a manner suggestive that it's fundamentally moral because they had thisn divine permission? And do so against those who were not concerned with anything other than their own personal rights?

There's no way you don't understand what I mean by that. It's nuts and bolts.

 

[Sola_Fide]

What I'm asking is that, historically, have we seen people of faith do things like take land, enslave others, rape the women, kill all of the young men of the land and so forth

In atheism, you have no argument against anything anyone did. They asserted their own morality, and they did what was right in their own eyes.

What argument do you have against anything they did from an atheistic perspective?

 

[Natural Citizen]

In atheism, you have no argument against anything anyone did. They asserted their own morality, and they did what was right in their own eyes.

What argument do you have against anything they did from an atheistic perspective?

Right. And there is no argument that one could make as far as I can tell. Which is why i had asked for the single example earlier. Was basically an attempt to spin it into not what they or anyone did but moreso along the lines of "how would they" compared to one another. You know? "Oughtta" ?

 

[otherone]

In atheism, you have no argument against anything anyone did. They asserted their own morality, and they did what was right in their own eyes.

How could one assert one's own morality, when morality doesn't exist outside of god?

 

[Sola_Fide]

How could one assert one's own morality, when morality doesn't exist outside of god?

I was speaking from an atheistic perspective. I thought you would have realized that.

 

[otherone]

Like the other transcendent laws, mathematics and logic, the laws of morality are things that already exist, and our role is not to invent them, but to discover them. If this isn't the case, then there is no such thing as morality.

You are saying that if morality isn't transcendent, then there is no transcendent morality. That makes sense.

 

[otherone]

I was speaking from an atheistic perspective. I thought you would have realized that.

Actually, no. There was no need to use the word "morality" in regards to someone's individual will. You are getting tripped up because morality actually exists in concept independent of "biblical morality". You seek to redefine the language in order to make your insular view broad. There is nothing wrong with making your argument by using the term "biblical morality" or "god's morality", but you choose not to because your views will then be dismissed as parochial.