How are we going to actually win this?

[Rafi]

This has been nagging at me for 2 weeks or so now. Ron's numbers are great, but they're not good enough to win this nomination. What is the plan? Wait and hope for Americans to wake the hell up in time? This is just a prayer. It may indeed come true, but it remains a prayer. It's not a strategy.

I've said this before, but it seems that our best shot is an economic collapse that proves RP right on all counts. That will wake up the whole damn country fast.

Assuming that doesn't happen in time, how are we supposed to compete, realistically?

 

[TER]

We win by getting delegates to vote for Ron Paul at the Convention.

 

[ssjevot]

Fighting for the long haul and getting as many delegates as possible. We have the money and organization, once the others drop we're the anti-Romney.

 

[RickyJ]

All we can do is try, failure is not an option, so we better succeed!

 

[CaptainAmerica]

 

[CaptainAmerica]

All we can do is try, failure is not an option, so we better succeed!

 

[Dsylexic]

This has been nagging at me for 2 weeks or so now. Ron's numbers are great, but they're not good enough to win this nomination. What is the plan? Wait and hope for Americans to wake the hell up in time? This is just a prayer. It may indeed come true, but it remains a prayer. It's not a strategy.

I've said this before, but it seems that our best shot is an economic collapse that proves RP right on all counts. That will wake up the whole damn country fast.
Assuming that doesn't happen in time, how are we supposed to compete, realistically?

btw,the collapse? it is not going to happen in a hurry.read Bob Wenzel over at economicpolicyjournal.com - a REVPAC advisor and someone Paul has brought to the congress as expert witness one or two times.he says,bernanke's moneyprinting is now starting to enter the economy and a false boom in the energy and hitech industries is slowly underway.things might seem brighter for a few months,but prices will shoot up.inflation is more likely now than a collapse -which will be likely when the interest rates go up rapidly.(not in the near future)

 

[John F Kennedy III]

This has been nagging at me for 2 weeks or so now. Ron's numbers are great, but they're not good enough to win this nomination. What is the plan? Wait and hope for Americans to wake the hell up in time? This is just a prayer. It may indeed come true, but it remains a prayer. It's not a strategy.

I've said this before, but it seems that our best shot is an economic collapse that proves RP right on all counts. That will wake up the whole damn country fast.

Assuming that doesn't happen in time, how are we supposed to compete, realistically?

1150 delegates

 

[Oddone]

Two words - Brokered Convention

 

[Dsylexic]

does anyone feel Virginia will be the real deal this time? romney v paul head to head. it will really prove us right if we win that we are the absolute non romneys who WILL WIN nationally.if we lose there 30-70,it is essentially game over.
like doug wead keeps saying,romney is disliked by 70% of the republicans and the others are splitting the non romney vote. if this observation is on the money,as we believe it is,then we should win 65-35 atleast

 

[eleganz]

hope for a great super tuesday showing, slowly trailing Romney and upset in CA and TX.

We're trying to work on CA here...we all need to be productive locally!!!!!

 

[jersdream]

does anyone feel Virginia will be the real deal this time? romney v paul head to head. it will really prove us right if we win that we are the absolute non romneys who WILL WIN nationally.if we lose there 30-70,it is essentially game over.
like doug wead keeps saying,romney is disliked by 70% of the republicans and the others are splitting the non romney vote. if this observation is on the money,as we believe it is,then we should win 65-35 atleast

In head to head poll versus Romney in South Carolina, he beats up by 40 points.

 

[Liberty Shark]

In regards to the economy: Something that I haven't seen a lot of people talk about is the fact that at roughly the same time one of the bailouts or TARP was passed (I'll try to look this up later), there was language snuck into one of these bills that gave the Federal Reserve the power to pay interest on excess reserves that banks keep at the Fed. This is a big development that people like Schiff need to explain, otherwise he's gonna make a fool out of himself. The importance of the Fed being able to pay interest on excess reserves means that by simply offering a higher rate of interest on excess reserves than what rate the banks could charge in the free market via loans, etc. means that the money multiplier effect can essentially be turned off by the Fed somewhat reliably.
In other words, I believe I read that there is multiple trillions of dollars in excess reserves belonging to the banks that are parked at the Fed. In the past, banks have usually always been fully "loaned up" because otherwise they aren't earning any money by keeping excess reserves parked at the Fed earning no interest. In fact, if you count in inflation, which any smart person would, they would actually be losing money. However, now that the Fed can pay interest to the banks for their excess reserves parked at the Fed, if the Fed offers a high enough rate of interest, the banks are not going to lend because 1)the rate of return is higher 2)no chance of a loan going bad. I am baffled as to why people are not mentioning this. At least for a while (until market interest rates rise), there is not going to be any massive inflation because the Fed can now keep reserves parked at the Fed and essentially eliminate the money multiplier by offering the banks a higher interest rate than the amount they could earn by extending risky loans in the free market. The timing of when the Fed was given these new powers tells you that they were indeed very worried about potential hyperinflation. This idea of paying interest on excess reserves was an idea of Milton Friedman if I remember correctly.
However, this strategy will not be one that can be sustained forever because once market interest rates rise, probably in 2 yrs or so, the Fed won't realistically be able to pay the banks 10%+ on excess reserves because at that point they would essentially be expanding the money supply in massive percentages each year. So, in a few years chaos will likely ensue.

 

[HigherVision]

This has been nagging at me for 2 weeks or so now. Ron's numbers are great, but they're not good enough to win this nomination. What is the plan? Wait and hope for Americans to wake the hell up in time? This is just a prayer. It may indeed come true, but it remains a prayer. It's not a strategy.

I've said this before, but it seems that our best shot is an economic collapse that proves RP right on all counts. That will wake up the whole damn country fast.

Assuming that doesn't happen in time, how are we supposed to compete, realistically?

Look at where we're at now compared to 2008. If things keep growing the way they've been then liberty will be the dominant political movement within America in 2-4 years. Especially as people like Ron and Peter Schiff are on tv explaining what's going on with the economy and their predictions continue to come to pass.

 

[idiom]

its extreme politics in a time of chaos. anything could happen.

 

[Dsylexic]

^^ if banks keep the money parked because the 0.25% they get from the fed is higher than what the market can offer ,then it means the economy will keep deleveraging .there will no credit creation and no improvement in jobs.but there is evidence (see chrismartenson.com) that the reserves are leaking out.and prices should increase now,with a time lag.

all that the fed has done is help the banks repair their balancesheets -at the cost of the taxpayer.

the fed is indulging in the same old game: lend money cheaply.once the banks are repaired ,they start credit expansion.leading to higher prices.then interest rates go up at the fed level to control inflation.this murders the govt finances as budgets now have to allocate more money for interest payments.deficits mount,debts increase.and if interest rates then finally are increased rapidly,the next bubble whatever it is ,crashes again.this time it could be the govt debt which is the bubble.another bust.
this boom and bust is repeated with increasing ferocity in every cycle till the final destruction of the currency

 

[Liberty Shark]

Its actually not that difficult to see the path to victory:

1) Continue to have strong showings (top 3, especially in South Carolina)
2) Fairly soon (probably after SC) either Gingrich or Santorum (whichever does worse) will likely drop out, as well as Perry (unless he finishes top 3 in SC)
3) A 3-way race begins between: Romney vs. Paul vs. Gingrich or Santorum
4) At this point Romney and Gingrich have made fools out of themselves and Gingrich or Santorum start to run out of money
5) It becomes clear that its a 2 person race between Romney and Paul (the only 2 who realistically have the organization and funds to seriously compete)
6) Romney fails to get add significant support, as the anti-Romney candidate (Paul) collects majority of the 70% anti-Romney vote
7) Dr. Paul defeats Romney in epic battle

 

[Taco John]

This has been nagging at me for 2 weeks or so now. Ron's numbers are great, but they're not good enough to win this nomination. What is the plan? Wait and hope for Americans to wake the hell up in time? This is just a prayer. It may indeed come true, but it remains a prayer. It's not a strategy.

I've said this before, but it seems that our best shot is an economic collapse that proves RP right on all counts. That will wake up the whole damn country fast.

Assuming that doesn't happen in time, how are we supposed to compete, realistically?

People need to trust the campaign. If you don't see the plan right now, you're not getting it. Obama laid out the strategy, and the RP campaign is seizing it. The campaign has a winning strategy. Just be patient - it's unfolding beautifully.

 

[Dreamer]

I guess I'll make my first post here.

This is all speculation, but this is what it looks like to me along with a few comments from Ron Paul or his spokesman report from some articles.


First, it seems Paul is aiming to become the "Anti-Romney." As an article mentioned somewhere before, there's two primaries. The Republican Primary and the "Anti-Romney" Primary. As Romney just stands around the reluctantly supported frontrunner, other candidates have been trying to establish themselves as the second power and after cementing that, then work on facing Romney. You have seen so far, no candidate have been that stable. Though you can see Paul is approaching that.

I also noticed a sign that Paul was hoping for a "front-load" plan. Paul's campaign did said that one thing they switched from 2008 abandon the 50-state national campaign to an organized Iowa-NH campaign with focused resources and top-notch ground game. I looks to me that Paul was hoping to take Iowa and then a mix of luck, momentum, and ground game take NH from Romney's feet. Taking those two states momentum, it was perhaps he can make a final blow in SC and make a quick end. An article - kinda negative but still - quoted Paul that he was hoping it to be short. Sounds like there was hope for a decisive early victory.

Obviously, that didn't quite worked out. But it seems they are going with the "Anti-Romney" plan. It looks to me that the Plan is to keep "nipping at his heels" until threats from other candidates is whittled out. People have noticed that Romney and Paul are not attacking each other much. I think there's a detente going on there as Romney rather face Paul and Paul rather face Romney than a divided field assuming he can cut him enough to make other other competitors be closer rivals. I think it adds credence to that. Between now and the final showdown, the plan is to take out the other rivals while making the most of the proportional delegates and then try to win some caucuses where he can leverage support better. By that point, by March after starving out the rest and having enough delegates to remain competitive despite not winning any primaries, Paul can go mano-o-mano and aim to win primaries as the Anti-Romney. Ideally it would be a front-loaded campaign, but since the Media and Santorum put a stop to that, it now trying to make the most of the respectable finishes of the two states and generate momentum from that. And so far, it looks like it been making progress. It would be good if Paul can outright take SC or Florida, but if he can't, he can just stay close, Paul might be able to take position as the Anti-Romney and win that way in a more drawn out proccess.

At least that's my speculation.

 

[Liberty Shark]

^^ if banks keep the money parked because the 0.25% they get from the fed is higher than what the market can offer ,then it means the economy will keep deleveraging .there will no credit creation and no improvement in jobs.but there is evidence (see chrismartenson.com) that the reserves are leaking out.and prices should increase now,with a time lag.

all that the fed has done is help the banks repair their balancesheets -at the cost of the taxpayer.

the fed is indulging in the same old game: lend money cheaply.once the banks are repaired ,they start credit expansion.leading to higher prices.then interest rates go up at the fed level to control inflation.this murders the govt finances as budgets now have to allocate more money for interest payments.deficits mount,debts increase.and if interest rates then finally are increased rapidly,the next bubble whatever it is ,crashes again.this time it could be the govt debt which is the bubble.another bust.
this boom and bust is repeated with increasing ferocity in every cycle till the final destruction of the currency

Good point. I'll have to check that out. I have been kind of lazy recently in checking out the data I used to regularly check out daily (due to primaries). I figured that they couldn't realistically keep those reserves locked up for too long. Also, I'm hearing some people start to mention possibility of more "quantitative easing" in the next few months. I have been trying to convince my grandfather that the reason for the rounds of QE was because they don't want the gov'ts borrowing costs to rise, otherwise the interest starts to consume massive percentages of annual budget, therefore they aren't doing QE because they think it will help the economy (although some of them are delusional enough to believe this) but rather to try to keep the interest rates on gov't bonds down (of course many of the keynesians and monetarists claim this helps economy, but I'm questioning their real motives). They are starting to really run out of options.