Houston We Have A Problem - New Hampshire Canvasers & Post Signs in NH NEEDED ASAP!!!

[orenbus]

Houston We Have A Problem - New Hampshire Canvasers, Callers NEEDED ASAP!

We are now starting to learn that the state primaries and caucuses are being moved up which impacts the deadline for registration as a Republican to vote Ron Paul. The deadlines being moved up as early as two weeks from now!

For those of us that were here in 2007 this should come as no surprise, a few of us on this board have been warning that the dates are not fixed and that this was going to happen. We should have already been bracing our selves for an announcement like this and those of you that were not ready then I say shame on you. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice.... etc.

And now the point of this post, guys I do not want to head up to New Hampshire to help with door to door in the December bitter cold and have NH in the same situation it was in back in 2007. I posted the below thread back then and would hate to have to post a similar thread this coming December and then have people upset that something wasn't said earlier. This is why I'm posting this now October 1st, a full three months before the primary.

This is a reminder just so that way no one can accuse me later of not having said anything.

DO NOT LET US MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES WE MADE IN 2007. Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Guys,

I just got back from canvassing over the weekend in New Hampshire, I'm sorry to report things do not look as good as some of us may think. They are seriously hurting bad for people up there. I was expecting Revolution Banners on every overpass or at the very least seeing more Ron Paul signs than Huckabee or Romney, unfortunately this is not the case.

Take a look at the number of supporters in Manchester, NH (the state's largest city)

http://ronpaul.meetup.com/cities/us/...?from=loc_pick

Now going by the standards of activists versus people that just join up to show support through meetups you can get a sense of how many people they have locally that can help. Luckily I can report that over 20 people came in from different parts of the country to help canvas this past weekend and there are a few dozen more that have been canvassing every weekend for the last number of weeks (many from Op LFoD & free-staters), but this is no where near enough if we seriously expect to win New Hampshire, something needs to happen and fast!

I don't report this to be negative or pop anyone's balloon, I report this to you guys because I take this election very very seriously. I want to see Ron Paul in the white house as much as anyone, perhaps in some cases more so. If you guys want the truth and really want to win we need to show a good placing in New Hampshire primary, plain and simple. If we want to come close or even win New Hampshire than New Hampshire needs your help, BIG TIME!

It's not enough for us to have local sign waves, buy newspaper ads and billboards, create videos that help publicize the campaign online, write articles, money bombs and donations and the like. The money is good and that money will go to advertising which is where it should go but I have to say we are sorely in need of more boots on the ground in NH.

THIS IS VERY ALARMING!!! The New Hampshire Primary is January 8th!!!

If someone is wealthy and/or organizing a PAC and is reading this I'm not sure if this is possible, but you may want to start considering hiring people in NH to start putting up signs and go do door to door canvasing soon.

Every Ron Paul supporter in 12 hours driving distance of NH please consider and spread the word to your local meetups and supporters in your states to give serious consideration into coming up to NH one weekend in December to help canvas, post up signs everywhere so we outnumber all the other candidates and spread the word in the NH communities.


The New Hampshire Primary is January 8th!!!


We have some time (not a lot!), we can turn this thing around, but everyone that is physically able to do so needs to start thinking about heading up to NH to pitch in NOW! Consider car pooling, I know the New York group is offering to cover all charges of driving up there and lodging if you're serious about helping out. Please start to organize similiar activities in towns and cities near you. No Joke guys, New Hampshire needs our help and fast!

For Liberty

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...n-NH-NEEDED-ASAP!!!&highlight=houston+problem


DO NOT LET US MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES WE MADE IN 2007. Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

You can help today by:

1. Phone from Home (help us by getting the critical information those of us that will be going door to door will need, so we can place very well in NH)



2. Support NH and IA chipins and grassroots efforts (guerilla marketing and projects that the official campaign cannot be connected to or able to organize on our behalf)
Ron Paul Sign Bomb 10/10/2001





3. Donate to the official campaign



4. If you are in the radius of 1000 miles of either IA or NH start to head up there as soon as you can to help the local HQs with canvassing, GOTV, etc.
Headquarters Phone (Toll-Free): 1-855-886-9779
Volunteer
Want to volunteer? Call campaign HQ 603-369-6459
128 D Hall Street, Concord NH 03301
[email protected] - [email protected]



5. Spread the word and tell your friends to do the same (any or all of the) four steps above.

 

[orenbus]

 

[orenbus]

 

[orenbus]

Earlier caucus date riles Republicans

For Texas U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, “flexibility” about the date of the caucuses has been a constant factor in the campaign, said Iowa Campaign Chairman Drew Ivers.

Ivers described the contentious battle riling party chairmen nationwide as “the normal drama.” He said Paul continues running a focused, grassroots campaign for the precinct caucuses, registering supporters at sign-ups during his town hall appearances.

“With this much notice in advance, it will not be a major hurdle,” Ivers said.

http://missouri-news.org/midwest-news/iowa/earlier-caucus-date-riles-republicans/9466

 

[parocks]

"which impacts the deadline for registration as a Republican to vote Ron Paul. The deadlines being moved up as early as two weeks from now!"

You said the above, and then you said nothing about how we're going to do voter registration. If the voter registration deadline is 2 weeks away, what are we going to do right now to register voters? We don't need signs to register voters.

I'd like to know what the exact numbers are.

Deadline for 1st time registration is when?
Deadline for Indies to join a party is when?
Deadline for Dems to switch from D to R is when?

But the main objective is to get into colleges and do a massive voter registration especially for men. That's where we're strong.

Today, there's a training session in Durham. Part of the program for those people today should include "how to get people these people, right here, on this campus,
to register.

Can they vote absentee in this primary? If so, we can get them all voted early if they aren't going to be on campus.

I'm going to look up the dates. Jan 15 is the primary day, right? That sucks, January term.

The potential numbers out of UNH aren't that staggering. It's not like the ratio of Cyclones to Huck 2008 voters - 3:4

But it's a bummer that yet again all those kids are going to be locked out of their dorms on the primary day.
if they can't vote absentee, you either wouldn't want to prioritize them, or you'd want to register them where they live in the summer.


January 4, Wednesday -- Winter term classes begin at 7:45 a.m. - dartmouth is in. so you'll want to vote them 6K votes there.

7 community colleges have 24K students. All the students live where they go to school. Not a dorm situation. It doesn't matter if class is in session.
Register them.

 

[parocks]

Earlier caucus date riles Republicans



http://missouri-news.org/midwest-news/iowa/earlier-caucus-date-riles-republicans/9466

Key takeaway is "registering supporters at sign-ups during his town hall appearances."

 

[parocks]

I can tell you that we were at 13% in the polls in NH before we hit Hannity with a snowball. So, I'm not sure that going up there helped that much in 2008.

And going up to NH to put up signs? You make a lot of phone calls, hit the houses you didn't hit with the phone calls. Find as many voters as you can, then make sure they vote, and keep bugging them till they vote. Offer them rides, etc.

Register before that.

If you're running a tiny town for the party for the general, pretty much what they wanted you to do, back in the day, was voter id by phoning and also voter registration.
You had to be a notary in some states to process voter registrations. so, if everybody thinks like they're running a tiny town, they'll be registering voters, and identifying Ron Paul supporters.

So many supporters were told "if you are going to help Ron Paul, do OLFD. Oh, and by the way, if you do OLFD, you can't coordinate with the campaign, because we're a PAC, but do OLFD anyway, we'll give you lots of great stuff to do." And it really didn't work out that way. Sunday before Tuesday election is as I recall a huge phoning day, and there were hundreds of us, and I was one, I'll say that, standing on the streetcorners of Manchester when we really should've been making calls.

So don't start waving the hands around. Everything is cool. Do need to do voter registration at thsoe colleges though. If there's a "get people to NH" effort, it shouldn't be hamstrung by some sort of "can't coordinate". If a plan has "can't coordinate", change the details of that plan to remove "can't coordinate".

 

[orenbus]

"which impacts the deadline for registration as a Republican to vote Ron Paul. The deadlines being moved up as early as two weeks from now!"

You said the above, and then you said nothing about how we're going to do voter registration. If the voter registration deadline is 2 weeks away, what are we going to do right now to register voters? We don't need signs to register voters.

New Hampshire has a Semi-Open Primary here is a description:

It is not a closed primary, in which votes can be cast in a party primary only by people registered with that party. Undeclared voters — those not registered with any party — can vote in either party primary. However, it does not meet a common definition of an open primary, because people registered as Republican or Democrat on voting day cannot cast ballots in the primary of the other party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Hampshire_primary

Basically this means that undeclared or those not affiliated with party can vote for whoever they want in the Primary, however those that are Democrats can not vote for Republicans and vice versa. The Deadlines dates you want are currently in flux however lets just assume worst case it is going to be less than two weeks from today, which is very likely.

Although I agree voter registration is important this should probably be something people will want to coordinate with IA and NH HQ about, unless for whatever reason the official campaign can't legally handle or do not at this date want to do voter registration drives.

Call campaign HQ 603-369-6459
128 D Hall Street, Concord NH 03301
[email protected] - [email protected]

You bring up doing mass voter registration at local colleges, YAL would probably be the best organization in NH to handle this. As you pointed out I know today they are doing a bootcamp at UNH, for anyone else curious check this link:
http://www.meetup.com/ronpaul-6/

But as far as I can tell no major voter registration effort is being made or scheduled currently in NH. If you are asking yourself why that is I can tell you its because:

1. Resources - New Hampshire is lacking in them in terms of the amount of people to do voter registration and everything else that is needed as we enter October
2. We are about out of time, October is when voter identification and promotion goes into full swing
3. It's essentially too late to put major effort into branching out to new voters that traditionally do not vote such as college kids. It's better to focus on those that will statistically will be voting in the coming primary.

The point of my post was targeted to those in surrounding states to do what they can to help those that are in NH and going to NH soon and also to point out that there are no where near (just like in 2007) the resources that we thought we have up there. I also know that at most we probably have somewhere in the neighborhood of 30-60 volunteers up there right now doing work, this should alarm everyone. We need a seriously great deal more volunteers up there and resources and the only way we can do it is by putting out the word that NH needs help in anyway they can.

In a state that had 234,851 vote in the 2008 primary we have a really good shot at convincing a good portion of those voters, enough to take at least 2nd in the state picking up some delegates. But more importantly getting free media coverage as a top tier candidate going into the other state primaries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Hampshire_Republican_primary,_2008

You asked about signage, someone mentioned in another thread that they could support sending materials to NH, this is the type of help they need so that work doesn't need to be duplicated by the grassroots in NH. We need to figure out how to help NH in ways that makes it the most efficient for them to do what they need to do and get others up there to not waste time once they get up there to do the work that is needed. If it means saving time by letting volunteers that drive up there simply put up the signs as opposed to taking the time to make them then that is an efficient use of time and energy. This is just one example. Another example is again the Phone from Home program which allows those in NH that will be going door to door to be able to do that work without having to do phone voter identification calls first that supporters in other states can take care of.

 

[orenbus]

I can tell you that we were at 13% in the polls in NH before we hit Hannity with a snowball. So, I'm not sure that going up there helped that much in 2008.

I'm confused are you saying for fear of someone throwing a snowball at Hannity which could cause a dip in the polls that volunteers should not go to NH to help out?

The incident in question happened 1-6-2008, it was reported by Hannity the next day 1-7-2008. The New Hampshire primary was January 8, 2008, The RCP average for the month leading up for Ron Paul fluctuated between 6% and 8.5% I seriously don't think the Snowball incident had much of an impact compared to the other conditions in December in terms of Ron Pauls polling numbers and the primary.

Not sure where you are getting the 13% from, the only polls that had him in double digits were CNN/WMUR/UNH at 10%, Rasmussen 11%.

You make a lot of phone calls, hit the houses you didn't hit with the phone calls. Find as many voters as you can, then make sure they vote, and keep bugging them till they vote. Offer them rides, etc.

I agree with this, basic GOTV. Not much different than what is being planned a mix of phone banking, direct mail, and door-to-door. However presence is important because it is a part of perception, and in the end a lot of campaign is advertising and visual impressions on the human eye. I would never say signs are more important than putting money into direct mailers, cable television ads or canvassing door to door yet the kind of signs made by grassroots shouldn't be confused by the official signs put up in peoples lawns which can be to some degree useful as well. For example Ron Paul himself has spoken about and applauded the efforts of the individuals that came up with the Ron Paul Revolution concept from Arizona and it has become not just a example of successful grassroots, it's also been officially adopted by the campaign in today's materials, merchandise and the title of one of Ron Paul's books. Advertising in all forms is important if they are successful it's no different then approaching potential voters in different mediums.

So many supporters were told "if you are going to help Ron Paul, do OLFD. Oh, and by the way, if you do OLFD, you can't coordinate with the campaign, because we're a PAC, but do OLFD anyway, we'll give you lots of great stuff to do." And it really didn't work out that way. Sunday before Tuesday election is as I recall a huge phoning day, and there were hundreds of us, and I was one, I'll say that, standing on the streetcorners of Manchester when we really should've been making calls.

If I recall there were only a few dozen OLFD and this whole thing of OLFD can't help the official campaign I don't know that wasn't my experience when I went up there. From what I saw when we were going door to door canvassing it was volunteers for the campaign and OLFD standing next to each other as we knocked on doors. It may not be legal, but whatever chipins happen, people put up signs, flyers in windshields, burn dvds with copyright material, repost video on youtube, welcome to guerilla campaigning.

But in any case OLFD shouldn't be an issue as that project currently is inactive, I'm suggesting all canvassing volunteers contact and coordinate with the official campaign in efforts such as door to door, phone banking and in general GOTV activities. Of course costs such as getting to NH and costs of staying there can be shared by groups of people without involving the campaign and shouldn't impact an individuals ability to volunteer with the campaign once they are up there. As was the case with groups coming up to NH in 2007 from NYC, PA, NJ, CT, etc. this was never an issue as those volunteers were given lists of address and driving directions from the official campaign without any issue as it was clear to everyone before they started during the canvassing time they are considered legit volunteers of the campaign.

So don't start waving the hands around. Everything is cool. Do need to do voter registration at thsoe colleges though. If there's a "get people to NH" effort, it shouldn't be hamstrung by some sort of "can't coordinate". If a plan has "can't coordinate", change the details of that plan to remove "can't coordinate".

Dude "Everything is cool" is exactly what they were telling us back in 2007, trust me everything is not cool. If everything was cool then the volunteers could just stay home, we would have this election in the bag no need to do anything really. That message of saying "everything is cool" will kill us in the end. This is our last chance to get Ron Paul in the White House, you really want to go into this primary saying everything is cool? No there is a lot of work in front of us, especially in IA and NH and we need all the help we can get.

 

[The Midnight Ride]

Bumping for importance!

 

[orenbus]

Was just thinking about this some more, I'm sure if we called Jared Chicoine (New Hampshire State Director) and asked him hey we are sending up 40 people from states around the country to help show a sign of support at events like yesterdays Manchester Chili Cook-off to help pass out literature he wouldn't say no. In fact on Ron Paul NH Facebook there was an announcement looking to get supporters to do that very thing:

http://www.facebook.com/RP2012NH#!/event.php?eid=179395315469217

Lets help spread the word about Dr. Paul at one of the biggest events of the season. Thousands of people from all over New England will be there all weekend.

We are looking for pairs of people who would be willing to pass out literature and get folks signed up. No table this time, just straight forward outreach.

Contact Shaun Bowen 603-718-8817 or [email protected]

There is all kinds of weekend activities going on in NH that volunteers coming in from out of state can help out with doing both tabling and passing out literature, this doesn't just need to be limited to canvassing and signs.

Let Ron Paul do what he does best by presenting the message to different interest groups in formal settings, let grassroots do what they do best by spreading the message in informal settings. We can all contribute to spreading the message to potential voters in such a critical state that will make a huge difference in the race, one voter at a time.

 

[harikaried]

1. Phone from Home (help us by getting the critical information those of us that will be going door to door will need, so we can place very well in NH)

What's the turn around time for this? Are the numbers being called mostly Republicans and Independents to begin with? I thought New Hampshire allowed Independents to participate in primaries.

 

[orenbus]

What's the turn around time for this? Are the numbers being called mostly Republicans and Independents to begin with? I thought New Hampshire allowed Independents to participate in primaries.

They don't want target caller information made available. Independents can participate as long as they are not registered with another party (e.g., Democrats) that would require re-registering before the deadline which is in less than two weeks.

 

[RDM]

I just read a article somewhere that there was a 4H fair somewhere in NH. Romney and Huntsmann had booths there and were represented by supporters. The article said no RP booth. Lost opportunity.

 

[invisible]

Does anyone know what the exact cutoff date for voter registration is in NH? Actual, current info, rather than something posted online from 4 years ago? If it's in two weeks, I'm going to really be cutting it close with moving there and would like to verify that I'm not going to be stuck!

 

[eleganz]

Anybody know how the Youth For RP is doing right now in NH? Its easy to get young people on the train and registered asap since they all live in the same immediate area and can migrate easily on voting day.

 

[S.Shorland]

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[Spanky]

Anybody know how the Youth For RP is doing right now in NH? Its easy to get young people on the train and registered asap since they all live in the same immediate area and can migrate easily on voting day.

this. someone needs to get all the new voters!

 

[orenbus]

New Hampshire Journal: Ron Paul regarding NH Primary - "I think if we bomb here, we're not worth our salt."
http://nhjournal.com/2011/08/27/ron-paul-if-we-bomb-in-nh-were-not-worth-our-salt/

 

[orenbus]

Does anyone know what the exact cutoff date for voter registration is in NH? Actual, current info, rather than something posted online from 4 years ago? If it's in two weeks, I'm going to really be cutting it close with moving there and would like to verify that I'm not going to be stuck!

The last day for voters interested in changing their party affiliation is Friday, October 14, 2011.

http://www.sos.nh.gov/Filing Period announcement.pdf

edit: of course dates regarding primaries are never fixed, stay informed for any changes.