House to vote on Amash's NSA Amendment on Wednesday (update: defeated 205 to 217)

[seyferjm]

I'm pretty shocked to see that Chabot supported this, he was a major CISPA backer at one point.

 

[Carlybee]

Republicans didn't shoot down the amendment alone. Over 80 Democrats voted against it as well. If every Democrat had voted for it, or even 80% of them, the amendment would've passed.

I have no control over what Dems do, I don't vote Dem. It still doesn't change the fact that more Republicans than Dems voted against it, which tells me the majority are the same old warmongering fascists they have always been and I seriously pray no one on this forum ever tries to defend the likes of Michelle Bachmann to me again.

That being said, it was encouraging to see the ones who voted for it. I was a little surprised to see Ted Poe vote for it honestly. He has never struck me as particularly liberty minded, but I am guessing he was going strictly by the Constitution.

 

[LibertyEagle]

This marks Sheila Jackson-Lee very clearly as an enemy of the Constitution and the Rule of Law - an Obama / Democrat party hack.
There are many others. May they all go down in infamy.

Surely, this comes as no surprise.

 

[Carlybee]

The NSA & Barry's "Party Wagon", held a TOP SECRET/SCI briefing for Congressman today on Capital Hill, prior to voting on the Amash NSA Amendment #100... On those classified Microsoft PowerPoint slides were: the METADATA of Congressman Culberson (R-TX), and his phone calls that matched up to the same list of Call Services as; Elliott Spitzer, Senator Robert Menedez's Dominican Republic minors, David Vitter's DC madame hotline, and finally to former Washington DC mayor Marion Berry's Crack dealers.

The Next PowerPoint Slide was of Nancy Pelosi's, who's phone calls, emails, taped conversations displayed a huge stock deal with credit card company VISA, AIPAC, and...








Here's his explanation for voting against the Amash amendment:

http://culberson.house.gov/protectin...ht-to-privacy/

Makes you wonder doesn't it?

 

[TwoGuard]

Watching the floor debate, it was incredibly frustrating to hear NSA defenders talk about Congressional oversight when, in the course of performing it, they're lied to by Clapper and others. Likewise irritating to hear them point to the FISA court as a check on the process, when it's clearly a secret kangaroo court that rubber stamps whatever the executive branch is asking for.

 

[Slutter McGee]

submitting the following letter to the editor: There have actually been a lot of votes my congressman has made that I disagree with, but I played it down, and played somethings up for the audience of my district. On my way to intoxication, so please point out any grammar mistakes, or things you think I could fix, or tell me something I got wrong.

Thanks,

On June 24th, Congress voted on an amendment to the Department of Defense appropriations bill to prevent the NSA from collecting information on all of our phone calls and records without a warrant or probable cause.

Unfortunately, in a vote fairly evenly split among party lines, this amendment was defeated. Even more unfortunate was that Congressman Thornberry voted no on this legislation. I want to thank the Congressman for many of his votes; His strong support for the second amendment and our military being chief among them. I understand his desire to protect this great country from terrorism, but not at the cost of our liberty.

An entire debate can be started about the judicial oversight and federal court rulings involved, or we could just accept that the 4th amendment means what it says. As conservatives, if we believe in smaller government and support the bill of rights, we should recognize that the fourth amendment is just as important as the second, whether we agree or disagree with actions of Edward Snowden.

I hope Congressman Thornberry will consider this. And I hope he will accept that the conservative position is to stand up for the entire constitution, even when you might not personally agree with the outcome. You might say, “If you are not doing something wrong then you have nothing to worry about.” I agree right now. But who is to say that we wont eventually elect somebody who abuses these powers.

They only give 250 words,

Slutter McGee

 

[Carlybee]

Watching the floor debate, it was incredibly frustrating to hear NSA defenders talk about Congressional oversight when, in the course of performing it, they're lied to by Clapper and others. Likewise irritating to hear them point to the FISA court as a check on the process, when it's clearly a secret kangaroo court that rubber stamps whatever the executive branch is asking for.

Welcome And I agree.

 

[Fredom101]

I have no control over what Dems do, I don't vote Dem. It still doesn't change the fact that more Republicans than Dems voted against it, which tells me the majority are the same old warmongering fascists they have always been and I seriously pray no one on this forum ever tries to defend the likes of Michelle Bachmann to me again.

That being said, it was encouraging to see the ones who voted for it. I was a little surprised to see Ted Poe vote for it honestly. He has never struck me as particularly liberty minded, but I am guessing he was going strictly by the Constitution.

It all comes down to their self interest.
Some in congress are terrified of all the spying. If the NSA has the capabilities that Snowden revealed, then everyone in congress is also being spied upon on a daily basis. So they voted for Amash's bill.

On the other hand, there are those in congress that see this as a threat to their power. They THINK they are above the people, and immune to getting in trouble for anything. So they naturally voted against it.

This issue is far more confusing than just left/right or even liberty-minded/anti-liberty.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

submitting the following letter to the editor: There have actually been a lot of votes my congressman has made that I disagree with, but I played it down, and played somethings up for the audience of my district. On my way to intoxication, so please point out any grammar mistakes, or things you think I could fix, or tell me something I got wrong.

Thanks,



They only give 250 words,

Slutter McGee

Maybe the "fairly evenly split among party lines" could be better worded, sounds like "split along party lines" which implies partisanship, there were a few more democrats to vote for it than republicans, but both parties were split, which is what I think you are trying to say.

 

[Slutter McGee]

Maybe the "fairly evenly split among party lines" could be better worded, sounds like "split along party lines" which implies partisanship, there were a few more democrats to vote for it than republicans, but both parties were split, which is what I think you are trying to say.

Good idea, I should also throw in his agreement with Obama if I can make it fit. Trying to appeal to the hawkish nature of my district can be difficult.

Slutter McGee

 

[Brett85]

I have no control over what Dems do, I don't vote Dem. It still doesn't change the fact that more Republicans than Dems voted against it, which tells me the majority are the same old warmongering fascists they have always been and I seriously pray no one on this forum ever tries to defend the likes of Michelle Bachmann to me again.

That being said, it was encouraging to see the ones who voted for it. I was a little surprised to see Ted Poe vote for it honestly. He has never struck me as particularly liberty minded, but I am guessing he was going strictly by the Constitution.

The majority of Republicans in the house still support the police state, but it's a dwindling majority. When the Patriot Act extension passed a year or two ago, only a little over 30 Republicans voted against it, while over 90 Republicans voted for this amendment. Some of the Republicans who voted for this amendment would still vote to extend the Patriot Act, but I think there would still be more Republican votes against the Patriot Act today than there were when it was last voted on. The Republicans in Congress are at least moving in the right direction on civil liberties issues. It would've been unheard of during the Bush years to see over 90 Republicans in the house vote against any "anti terror policy."

 

[Slutter McGee]

revised,

On June 24th, Congress voted on an amendment to the Department of Defense appropriations bill to prevent the NSA from collecting information on all of our phone calls and records without a warrant or probable cause.

Unfortunately, in a a vote not split among party lines, this amendment was defeated. I was even more disappointed that Congressman Thornberry agreed with President Obama’s expansion of federal power and voted no. I want to thank the Congressman for many of his votes; His strong support for the second amendment and our military being chief among them. I understand his desire to protect this great country from terrorism, but not at the cost of liberty.

An entire debate can be started about the judicial oversight and federal court rulings involved, or we could just accept that the 4th amendment means what it says. As conservatives, if we believe in smaller government and support the bill of rights, we should recognize that the 4th amendment is just as important as the 2nd, whether or not we agree with actions of Edward Snowden.

I hope Congressman Thornberry will consider this. I hope he will accept that the conservative position is to stand up for the entire constitution, even when we might not personally like the outcome. You might say, “If you are not doing something wrong then you have nothing to worry about.” I agree right now. But who is to say that we wont eventually elect somebody who abuses these powers.

Slutter McGee

 

[Carlybee]

The majority of Republicans in the house still support the police state, but it's a dwindling majority. When the Patriot Act extension passed a year or two ago, only a little over 30 Republicans voted against it, while over 90 Republicans voted for this amendment. Some of the Republicans who voted for this amendment would still vote to extend the Patriot Act, but I think there would still be more Republican votes against the Patriot Act today than there were when it was last voted on. The Republicans in Congress are at least moving in the right direction on civil liberties issues. It would've been unheard of during the Bush years to see over 90 Republicans in the house vote against any "anti terror policy."

The Bush Republicans need to go. Do you have any idea if this was right down Establishment vs Tea Party lines on the R side?

 

[Brett85]

The Bush Republicans need to go. Do you have any idea if this was right down Establishment vs Tea Party lines on the R side?

It seemed to me like most of the staunch conservatives in the house voted for the Amash amendment. Bachmann was one of the very few exceptions. For example, Jim Jordan voted for the amendment, and he was thought to be a potential conservative challenger to Boehner for the speaker of the house. Generally speaking it seemed like the more conservative Republican members voted for the Amash amendment. Strangely, it was kind of a vote that lined up as hardcore conservatives and hardcore liberals vs. more moderate and more establishment Republicans and Democrats.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Well, I'll be damned...

Carol Shea-Porter gets a gold star today.

 

[V4Vendetta]

vote tally?

 

[Anti Federalist]

You might say, “If you are not doing something wrong then you have nothing to worry about.” I agree right now. - Slutter McGee

 

[V4Vendetta]

blah

 

[CPUd]

The Bush Republicans need to go. Do you have any idea if this was right down Establishment vs Tea Party lines on the R side?

I would bet the ones who voted against it were either not up for reelection or well-funded.

 

[Contumacious]

I would bet the ones who voted against it were either not up for reelection or well-funded.

Given the fact that the surveillance programs are a bold face unconstitutional usurpation , it is an accurate conclusion that the demopublicans have perpetrated treason against the Constitution and are nothing more than fascist government supremacists bastards.

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