House to vote on affirming ‘In God We Trust’ as National Motto

[Zap!]

I think Amash had good reasons:



Can't argue with that. I would vote no too if I was in congress.

Actually, "from many, one" is a fine motto I think....because it begins with the presupposition of the individual.

Statists believe "from one, many".

I disagree. I would vote Yes proudly.

 

[tfurrh]

In God We Trust, has only been around since 1950ish. It has been on some of the coins for a little longer (post civil war), but not on every coin until the mid 1940s. In fact, we had bare breasts (1916-1917), and greek gods on our coins until 1945.

Before the 50s, 'In God We Trust' wasn't on our paper notes, our Motto, or on all of our coins. 'Under God' wasn't in the pledge until the 50s either.

Good grief people. Weren't we a 'Christian' nation before all of this state progaganda?

 

[acptulsa]

...and greek gods on our coins until 1945.

Myth. That wasn't Mercury on the dime, it was a rather androgynous version of the standard staple from the founding of the republic until the twentieth century--namely Lady Liberty.

 

[tfurrh]

Myth. That wasn't Mercury on the dime, it was a rather androgynous version of the standard staple from the founding of the republic until the twentieth century--namely Lady Liberty.

Lol, I figured some coin buffs would call me out on that. I was stretching it to make a point. 'the wings of free thought' on lady liberty.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

What they don't tell you is that the God they really mean is the State.

Most likely yes.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Good grief people. Weren't we a 'Christian' nation before all of this state progaganda?

Yes. The state propaganda (and the state itself) grew because true Christianity (Calvinism) started to wane.

History has shown that Calvinism has been the most effective bulwark against statism.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

In God we trust what?

The Declaration of Independence was written to address the Book of Romans chapter 3. Our Founding Fathers were being submissive to the authority of the Apostle Paul. This made them Christians.
In order to divorce our nation out from under tyranny, our Founders used the scientific method of natural law. As traditional law judges matters depending on legal precedence, our Founders established a political natural law which superceded such long standing traditions. As legal precedence will always favor tyranny, the new natural law favors the people.

 

[Sola_Fide]

The Declaration of Independence was written to address the Book of Romans chapter 3. Our Founding Fathers were being submissive to the authority of the Apostle Paul. This made them Christians.
In order to divorce our nation out from under tyranny, our Founders used the scientific method of natural law. As traditional law judges matters depending on legal precedence, our Founders established a political natural law which superceded such long standing traditions. As legal precedence will always favor tyranny, the new natural law favors the people.

Hmmm. What a wonderful chapter that Romans 3 is that declares the wonderful truth of justification by faith alone. But why do you connect it to the DOI? Just trying to get your thinking on this.


My argument for why the DOI has failed is precisely because of the logical failure of natural law (is/ought fallacy). Marqui de Sade justified torturing women on the basis of nature. Natural law does not provide a ground for prescriptions at all. Conclusions cannot contain more than the premises in a valid argument. It is never valid to argue that nature is this way, therefore we should behave this way.

 

[libertarian4321]

I support this too. I wish the world had more trust in God than in government.

Yup.

Because government's often work against what you want- and there is little you can do to stop government.

But God is whatever we want him to be- and therefore, much easier to deal with than government.

My God is the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and I trust him (and his son, Jesus Christ).

Still, despite my strong Pastafarian beliefs, I'm a libertarian, and not sure this is really an appropriate role for government...

 

[Philhelm]

What they don't tell you is that the God they really mean is the State.

I thought it was a reference to FRNs.

 

[Justinjj1]

Any liberal who ever tells me we need to change the motto on our currency, I tell them "Fine. We'll change it to In Jesus We Trust." That usually shuts their traps.

yeah thats right. you tell them goddamn libruls whats up. They can either except Jesus Christ as their personal savior, or they can git out.

I say we take it even further. I say congress renames The United States of America, to The United States of Jesusland.

 

[PastaRocket848]

I love the "America was built on Christian values" revisionists. Many of the founders were indifferent, if not anti-religion. Thomas Jefferson even went to far as to publish a revised version of the bible omitting all of the claims to divinity, talking snakes, etc. They wrote extensively about the need to limit the influence of religion in politics. The constitution is a reflection of this. America wasn't founded on "Christian values" any more than it was that of any other brand of mythology.

People act like the idea that people shouldn't steal or kill people is uniquely Christian...

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Good.

Meaningless when it comes to law, but a fine tradition

 

[farrar]

I think its kind of dumb. Not the saying but that it is being voted on, and that the congress is going to spend money on it to make the additions to some government buildings. An official motto is pretty dumb in general. As an unofficial motto, I don't mind it.

 

[eduardo89]

I think its kind of dumb. Not the saying but that it is being voted on, and that the congress is going to spend money on it to make the additions to some government buildings. An official motto is pretty dumb in general. As an unofficial motto, I don't mind it.

I don't think any extra money is being spent. It's just a symbolic vote.

 

[Ranger29860]

I don't think any extra money is being spent. It's just a symbolic vote.

Extra money is being spent since they have to actually vote on it. This whole thing is completely retarded.

 

[Echoes]

I wouldn't be too bothered by the motto if it weren't for the fact that these politicians are all fake Christians and not real Christians.

Agreed !! war criminals grandstanding, makes me wanna vomit

 

[Aden]

Here in Kentucky we have two standard license plate options. One reads, "In God We Trust," and another reads, "Unbridled Spirit (horse thing)." I chose the Unbridled Spirit plate. As a born-again Christian, I recognize that my salvation rests on a one-to-one personal relationship with Jesus. I trust in God. "We" (substitute any group for "we") do not trust in God. Every Resident of Kentucky trusts in God? Every citizen of American? Please. I find that plate disgusting.

 

[Jingles]

Can we just not have a national motto?

 

[bill1971]

Agreed !! war criminals grandstanding, makes me wanna vomit

Yeah, I'm fairly certain Jesus would not be for these wars and capital punishment the bible thumpers are for.